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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2024 3:39:57 GMT -5
What I find annoying about the simulation theory is that the people who propound it are brighter intellects than mine but still can't see past the obvious flaws in it.  And, I also found it annoying when 'dusty wrote how my "world view" fit into Mr. Video Schmuck's collective diagnosis. Oh well, guess I'm not enlightened after all.  It was also a tar baby. Could I have responded without reflecting back the hostility embedded in what the guy said? Sure, but that wouldn't have been half as fun, not the least reason being that the guy (and 'dusty) seem to me to have been unconscious of having expressed it.  "Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa ok.  |
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Post by melvin on Sept 7, 2024 4:58:30 GMT -5
"Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa ok. "Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa - Zazeniac AI: That's a profound quote by the Zen master Kodo Sawaki, highlighting the timeless nature of satori (sudden enlightenment) and the infinite quality of spiritual practice. In Zen Buddhism, satori is seen as a moment of awakening or insight into one's true nature, beyond conceptual understanding. It is not something that begins at a specific point in time but is always present, waiting to be realized. Similarly, the practice of meditation, mindfulness, and self-discovery has no finite endpoint. It is a continuous journey of self-exploration, growth, and transformation. Each moment offers an opportunity to deepen our understanding, cultivate awareness, and embody the teachings of wisdom and compassion. By recognizing that satori has no beginning and practice has no end, we embrace the timeless nature of spiritual awakening and the ongoing commitment to inner development. This perspective encourages us to approach our spiritual path with dedication, patience, and openness, knowing that every step we take brings us closer to the essence of our true nature and the boundless potential for awakening and liberation. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2024 16:21:48 GMT -5
ok. "Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa - Zazeniac AI: That's a profound quote by the Zen master Kodo Sawaki, highlighting the timeless nature of satori (sudden enlightenment) and the infinite quality of spiritual practice. In Zen Buddhism, satori is seen as a moment of awakening or insight into one's true nature, beyond conceptual understanding. It is not something that begins at a specific point in time but is always present, waiting to be realized. Similarly, the practice of meditation, mindfulness, and self-discovery has no finite endpoint. It is a continuous journey of self-exploration, growth, and transformation. Each moment offers an opportunity to deepen our understanding, cultivate awareness, and embody the teachings of wisdom and compassion. By recognizing that satori has no beginning and practice has no end, we embrace the timeless nature of spiritual awakening and the ongoing commitment to inner development. This perspective encourages us to approach our spiritual path with dedication, patience, and openness, knowing that every step we take brings us closer to the essence of our true nature and the boundless potential for awakening and liberation. And yet, this is not inconsistent with realizations that radically and permanently shift perspective. The Zen Masters also speak of "Kensho". ZD referred to the Gateless Gate. Sages write about these events, and resort to time-bound language out of practicality, to offer understanding. The AI refers to "sudden", and this is often the case. Sudden insight puts all past, present and future into a different light, all at once. But there can also be gradual, time-bound changes in perspective that can be significant. Just ask satch'. Best to leave intellect behind if there is a question about any of this. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 7, 2024 17:23:43 GMT -5
"Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa - Zazeniac AI: That's a profound quote by the Zen master Kodo Sawaki, highlighting the timeless nature of satori (sudden enlightenment) and the infinite quality of spiritual practice. In Zen Buddhism, satori is seen as a moment of awakening or insight into one's true nature, beyond conceptual understanding. It is not something that begins at a specific point in time but is always present, waiting to be realized. Similarly, the practice of meditation, mindfulness, and self-discovery has no finite endpoint. It is a continuous journey of self-exploration, growth, and transformation. Each moment offers an opportunity to deepen our understanding, cultivate awareness, and embody the teachings of wisdom and compassion. By recognizing that satori has no beginning and practice has no end, we embrace the timeless nature of spiritual awakening and the ongoing commitment to inner development. This perspective encourages us to approach our spiritual path with dedication, patience, and openness, knowing that every step we take brings us closer to the essence of our true nature and the boundless potential for awakening and liberation. And yet, this is not inconsistent with realizations that radically and permanently shift perspective. The Zen Masters also speak of "Kensho". ZD referred to the Gateless Gate. Sages write about these events, and resort to time-bound language out of practicality, to offer understanding. The AI refers to "sudden", and this is often the case. Sudden insight puts all past, present and future into a different light, all at once. But there can also be gradual, time-bound changes in perspective that can be significant. Just ask satch'. Best to leave intellect behind if there is a question about any of this. Gateless Gate, Kensho, Satori whatever that is, I believe ( not trying to enforce this on anyone ) can be simultaneously, spontaneously experienced by just simply, sincerely chanting the maha mantra. As I listened to Nisa's lectures on youtube, I had a difficult time interpreting what he was teaching using the intellect. So, I experimented on chanting silently from within my mind the maha mantra, and bingo! I ultimately understood what Nisa was implying in every turn. The Absolute Truth, maha mantra is ZD's Gateless Gate, is Kodo's satori, is Ramana's self inquiry and everything else under the table ( John Wick movie ). |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 8, 2024 9:12:27 GMT -5
"Satori has no beginning. Practice has no end." Kodo Sakawa ok. I should have highlighted your comment about your enlightenment status. The point being that it's not something worth belaboring. But I think we agree on this. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2024 16:31:26 GMT -5
ok. I should have highlighted your comment about your enlightenment status. The point being that it's not something worth belaboring. But I think we agree on this. Yes, I think we do ("kill the Buddha"), but I'm genuinely curious as to where you saw that? Here perhaps? You can always just challenge me directly ("are you enlightened?"). I promise to answer directly. It might seem like prevarication when you read it but that's the way that reading words on the page sometimes goes. I.E., what we might call, the "subjective facet of reality". |
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2024 16:45:50 GMT -5
And yet, this is not inconsistent with realizations that radically and permanently shift perspective. The Zen Masters also speak of "Kensho". ZD referred to the Gateless Gate. Sages write about these events, and resort to time-bound language out of practicality, to offer understanding. The AI refers to "sudden", and this is often the case. Sudden insight puts all past, present and future into a different light, all at once. But there can also be gradual, time-bound changes in perspective that can be significant. Just ask satch'. Best to leave intellect behind if there is a question about any of this. Gateless Gate, Kensho, Satori whatever that is, I believe ( not trying to enforce this on anyone ) can be simultaneously, spontaneously experienced by just simply, sincerely chanting the maha mantra. As I listened to Nisa's lectures on youtube, I had a difficult time interpreting what he was teaching using the intellect. So, I experimented on chanting silently from within my mind the maha mantra, and bingo! I ultimately understood what Nisa was implying in every turn. The Absolute Truth, maha mantra is ZD's Gateless Gate, is Kodo's satori, is Ramana's self inquiry and everything else under the table ( John Wick movie ). What I found kneeling during the transubstantiation surprised me. It is exactly the same awareness of awareness that I found doing a silent, eyes-closed meditation of just sitting. This was a surprise. But I never would have been open to that surprise if it hadn't been for a sudden collapse of the internal voice and the mental/emotional noise that spins around it. Before that, what people said about spirituality elicited one set of reactions. After that, a very different set of reactions.
Over the years, reading and writing on this forum, and following some of the breadcrumbs of the videos or books that get linked to, it's clear that some people have a specific event or events like that they can refer to, other's don't. This difference is interesting, but in terms of realizing the truth, it's just a chapter in a story. Another dichotomy is that some people have some of the same perspectives to this spiritual material I used to have before that event, others the perspective after. The second dichotomy is quite a bit more complicated, nuanced and individualized than the first.
Now, the upshot of this is that not everyone has the same experience say, chanting as you described, or kneeling, as I've described.
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Post by melvin on Sept 8, 2024 17:13:54 GMT -5
Gateless Gate, Kensho, Satori whatever that is, I believe ( not trying to enforce this on anyone ) can be simultaneously, spontaneously experienced by just simply, sincerely chanting the maha mantra. As I listened to Nisa's lectures on youtube, I had a difficult time interpreting what he was teaching using the intellect. So, I experimented on chanting silently from within my mind the maha mantra, and bingo! I ultimately understood what Nisa was implying in every turn. The Absolute Truth, maha mantra is ZD's Gateless Gate, is Kodo's satori, is Ramana's self inquiry and everything else under the table ( John Wick movie ). What I found kneeling during the transubstantiation surprised me. It is exactly the same awareness of awareness that I found doing a silent, eyes-closed meditation of just sitting. This was a surprise. But I never would have been open to that surprise if it hadn't been for a sudden collapse of the internal voice and the mental/emotional noise that spins around it. Before that, what people said about spirituality elicited one set of reactions. After that, a very different set of reactions.
Over the years, reading and writing on this forum, and following some of the breadcrumbs of the videos or books that get linked to, it's clear that some people have a specific event or events like that they can refer to, other's don't. This difference is interesting, but in terms of realizing the truth, it's just a chapter in a story. Another dichotomy is that some people have some of the same perspectives to this spiritual material I used to have before that event, others the perspective after. The second dichotomy is quite a bit more complicated, nuanced and individualized than the first.
Last night laffy I had this realization that what happens in the past happens all over again seems though what appears and disappears wont go away. You see, there's girl, you know and another girl. Though I stopped entertaining thoughts of them, this girl appears through a text tempting me, hinting if we could, you know. And this thing inside me succumbed to her invitation, chat stops. I said tomorrow see you. Suddenly, this other girl pops-up to greet saying in her message how I am doing. Never I wanted this at all. I am tired of it. Then it occured, I am not in control of why this girls all of the sudden come for me. There must be a connection, connected to what else, the absolute truth, cognizant and naughty. Teasing me again, you know the source likes to tease you. So, I say it's the absolute truth, a kid who wants to play with me through these girls. Gave me a choice if I accept them or not. That's the dichotomy. Either you take this road of not going through it, or take the other road and meet this girl or the other one. It's a damn if you do, damn if you dont thing. The absolute truth is a cognizant, naughty presence. My realization is not to go against the current but go with the flow. That what it wants. Send that conscious will to the trash bin. There's none actually. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2024 17:20:04 GMT -5
What I found kneeling during the transubstantiation surprised me. It is exactly the same awareness of awareness that I found doing a silent, eyes-closed meditation of just sitting. This was a surprise. But I never would have been open to that surprise if it hadn't been for a sudden collapse of the internal voice and the mental/emotional noise that spins around it. Before that, what people said about spirituality elicited one set of reactions. After that, a very different set of reactions.
Over the years, reading and writing on this forum, and following some of the breadcrumbs of the videos or books that get linked to, it's clear that some people have a specific event or events like that they can refer to, other's don't. This difference is interesting, but in terms of realizing the truth, it's just a chapter in a story. Another dichotomy is that some people have some of the same perspectives to this spiritual material I used to have before that event, others the perspective after. The second dichotomy is quite a bit more complicated, nuanced and individualized than the first.
Last night laffy I had this realization that what happens in the past happens all over again seems though what appears and disappears wont go away. You see, there's girl, you know and another girl. Though I stopped entertaining thoughts of them, this girl appears through a text tempting me, hinting if we could, you know. And this thing inside me succumbed to her invitation, chat stops. I said tomorrow see you. Suddenly, this other girl pops-up to greet saying in her message how I am doing. Never I wanted this at all. I am tired of it. Then it occured, I am not in control of why this girls all of the sudden come for me. There must be a connection, connected to what else, the absolute truth, cognizant and naughty. Teasing me again, you know the source likes to tease you. So, I say it's the absolute truth, a kid who wants to play with me through these girls. Gave me a choice if I accept them or not. That's the dichotomy. Either you take this road of not going through it, or take the other road and meet this girl or the other one. It's a damn if you do, damn if you dont thing. The absolute truth is a cognizant, naughty presence. My realization is not to go against the current but go with the flow. That what it wants. Send that conscious will to the trash bin. There's none actually. Well, ok, not the way I perceive things, and that's not to deny that I sometimes face temptation! Temptation is about deception. The deception that you will find some sort of satisfaction by yielding to it. How can you equate deception with truth? |
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Post by melvin on Sept 8, 2024 17:30:49 GMT -5
Last night laffy I had this realization that what happens in the past happens all over again seems though what appears and disappears wont go away. You see, there's girl, you know and another girl. Though I stopped entertaining thoughts of them, this girl appears through a text tempting me, hinting if we could, you know. And this thing inside me succumbed to her invitation, chat stops. I said tomorrow see you. Suddenly, this other girl pops-up to greet saying in her message how I am doing. Never I wanted this at all. I am tired of it. Then it occured, I am not in control of why this girls all of the sudden come for me. There must be a connection, connected to what else, the absolute truth, cognizant and naughty. Teasing me again, you know the source likes to tease you. So, I say it's the absolute truth, a kid who wants to play with me through these girls. Gave me a choice if I accept them or not. That's the dichotomy. Either you take this road of not going through it, or take the other road and meet this girl or the other one. It's a damn if you do, damn if you dont thing. The absolute truth is a cognizant, naughty presence. My realization is not to go against the current but go with the flow. That what it wants. Send that conscious will to the trash bin. There's none actually. Well, ok, not the way I perceive things, and that's not to deny that I sometimes face temptation! Temptation is about deception. The deception that you will find some sort of satisfaction by yielding to it. How can you equate deception with truth? Deception does not exist. The absolute truth just wants to play. You think it's a deception, but it's not. The source always gets what it wants even if you thought you were deceived. We think we are in control but we are not. The absolute truth is always with you. It controls your thoughts no matter how much you try to suppress, it will only makes things worse. Just go with the flow, find out where it actually leads you. And that's the take because you wont know how the story ends until you get there. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2024 17:39:54 GMT -5
Well, ok, not the way I perceive things, and that's not to deny that I sometimes face temptation! Temptation is about deception. The deception that you will find some sort of satisfaction by yielding to it. How can you equate deception with truth? Deception does not exist. The absolute truth just wants to play. You think it's a deception, but it's not. The source always gets what it wants even if you thought you were deceived. We think we are in control but we are not. The absolute truth is always with you. It controls your thoughts no matter how much you try to suppress, it will only makes things worse. Just go with the flow, find out where it actually leads you. And that's the take because you wont know how the story ends until you get there. Who is Keyser Söze? |
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Post by melvin on Sept 8, 2024 17:43:34 GMT -5
Deception does not exist. The absolute truth just wants to play. You think it's a deception, but it's not. The source always gets what it wants even if you thought you were deceived. We think we are in control but we are not. The absolute truth is always with you. It controls your thoughts no matter how much you try to suppress, it will only makes things worse. Just go with the flow, find out where it actually leads you. And that's the take because you wont know how the story ends until you get there. Who is Keyser Söze? He must be the guy you intimately are going with. 🤣 |
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2024 17:49:15 GMT -5
Who is Keyser Söze? He must be the guy you intimately are going with. 🤣 You're lucky you're on the internet dude.  |
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Post by melvin on Sept 8, 2024 22:10:33 GMT -5
He must be the guy you intimately are going with. 🤣 You're lucky you're on the internet dude. Well, laff, I was prepared for the big fight ahead with this 35 year old pretty chic. I kept on texting her where to meet. No reply. I called her on the phone, can't be reached. So, what did I do next. I blocked her phone. I blocked her messenger. That's how the story went. Earlier, she was asking me money through gcash. I sent her some for snacks, said she was hungry. That she promised we meet the next day. I am not upset. I understood. The absolute truth did not want the rest of the fight story to take place, absolutely cancelling by, I guess, putting to sleep not waking up the chic early, turning off her phone, not to be distured while asleep. I wonder how she feel if she wakes up and not able to text/chat with me on the phone/messenger. The absolute truth must be laughing. 😔 |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 9, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -5
Deception does not exist. The absolute truth just wants to play. You think it's a deception, but it's not. The source always gets what it wants even if you thought you were deceived. We think we are in control but we are not. The absolute truth is always with you. It controls your thoughts no matter how much you try to suppress, it will only makes things worse. Just go with the flow, find out where it actually leads you. And that's the take because you wont know how the story ends until you get there. Who is Keyser Söze? Is that how you write the name? I assume that this is the mysterious character referred to by Kevin Spacey in the movie where he plays being a fake cripple. |
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And, I also found it annoying when 'dusty wrote how my "world view" fit into Mr. Video Schmuck's collective diagnosis. Oh well, guess I'm not enlightened after all. 
