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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 16:52:25 GMT -5
Actually, to him, it matters only what attracts his attention, and only his interpretation, even if he uses an incorrect spelling. To others, it matters only what attracted their attention, be it the original reference or someone's interpretation of it, then for each one of them, it matters only that one's interpretation, even if based on erroneous premises, or misunderstandings. The knowledge and guidance, for everyone, comes only from one's own inner source of knowledge and guidance, while the rest are props, a means to an end. Not just writing the words KRSNA/KANSR but saying it. By saying KRSNA, KRSNA, KRSNA it can reverse the said words KANSR, KANSR, KANSR to KRSNA, KRSNA, KRSNA. To me, it's not impossible that the said illness Cancer can be reversed by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. Even in his last breath, Ramana Maharishi chanted the OM mantra. What I am trying to point is that there is no harm in chanting the Hare Krishna mantra if one is diagnosed with CANCER/KANSR. That's why I said, " Truth is stranger than fiction, " because such determination from the CANCER/KANSR patient to get a cure could work if done sincerely. So, why not give it a try instead of discouraging it. My view is that it isn't the chanting that helps, when positive outcome is experienced, but the positive expectation that the chanting helps. Without the positive expectation the chanting makes no difference. If you just "try" it, that won't help because it means you don't "expect" a positive outcome. You, as doctor, may chant whatever and as much as you like, but that won't help the patient to heal, and you can't help your patient to heal, whatever inspiration you might get, if the patient, innerly, hasn't decided so, and doesn't expect that. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 16:53:15 GMT -5
Jesus' 'become as a little child' doesn't mean your reverting to a child's innate ignorance, but shedding away your limiting beliefs, many arising from the conditioning while growing up, and so opening to the lessons you enrolled here to learn. He was referring to being free of attachment to mental concepts and beliefs as a child is before they grow up to become attached to beliefs and mental concepts.  I don't think so . |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 15, 2024 16:54:40 GMT -5
He was referring to being free of attachment to mental concepts and beliefs as a child is before they grow up to become attached to beliefs and mental concepts. I don't think so . Well, there’s your problem there. Try not thinking and see what happens. 😊 |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 16:57:36 GMT -5
Well, there’s your problem there. Try not thinking and see what happens. 😊 Not all thinking is the same. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 15, 2024 17:07:42 GMT -5
Not just writing the words KRSNA/KANSR but saying it. By saying KRSNA, KRSNA, KRSNA it can reverse the said words KANSR, KANSR, KANSR to KRSNA, KRSNA, KRSNA. To me, it's not impossible that the said illness Cancer can be reversed by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. Even in his last breath, Ramana Maharishi chanted the OM mantra. What I am trying to point is that there is no harm in chanting the Hare Krishna mantra if one is diagnosed with CANCER/KANSR. That's why I said, " Truth is stranger than fiction, " because such determination from the CANCER/KANSR patient to get a cure could work if done sincerely. So, why not give it a try instead of discouraging it. My view is that it isn't the chanting that helps, when positive outcome is experienced, but the positive expectation that the chanting helps. Without the positive expectation the chanting makes no difference. If you just "try" it, that won't help because it means you don't "expect" a positive outcome. You, as doctor, may chant whatever and as much as you like, but that won't help the patient to heal, and you can't help your patient to heal, whatever inspiration you might get, if the patient, innerly, hasn't decided so, and doesn't expect that. The only way to resolve this issue is conduct a survey. Those chanting for several years the Hare Krishna mantra and incidence of cancer from this group. Those not chanting Hare Krishna mantra and the incidence of cancer from this non-chanting of the Hare Krishna group. That would be a good start. The information of chanting the Hare Krishna mantra to prevent/cure cancer has not been widely spread yet. You see, if one is into Krishna consciousness people may start to go vegetarian, become non-alcoholic drinkers, non-coffee drinkers, and all that stuff that can give you stress/cancer, Hare Krishna chanters will stop from smoking cigarettes. These vices can give one cancer, right? |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 15, 2024 17:10:54 GMT -5
Well, there’s your problem there. Try not thinking and see what happens. 😊 Not all thinking is the same. When you identify with any thinking it is an error. Who you are is prior to all thought. Babies are Pure Awareness before they know a single word, never mind a string of words. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 15, 2024 18:26:15 GMT -5
A not so pretty woman compensates by showing her wow legs.
A handsome guy compensates by showing he`s wise.
A philanderer compensates by showing his wedding ring.
An old man compensates by showing the contents of his wallet.
A young man compensates by showing he`s responsible.
A sinful one compensates by quoting verses from the Bible.
A nobody compensates by being somebody.
So, no matter who we are, we try to find something we never were.
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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 18:55:57 GMT -5
Not all thinking is the same. When you identify with any thinking it is an error. ... I can see that. I observe the pain and suffering that result from not-thinking and from defectuous-thinking. I doubt that you acquired that belief from your inner undistorted knowledge. We'll all see eventually. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 18:59:17 GMT -5
My view is that it isn't the chanting that helps, when positive outcome is experienced, but the positive expectation that the chanting helps. Without the positive expectation the chanting makes no difference. If you just "try" it, that won't help because it means you don't "expect" a positive outcome. You, as doctor, may chant whatever and as much as you like, but that won't help the patient to heal, and you can't help your patient to heal, whatever inspiration you might get, if the patient, innerly, hasn't decided so, and doesn't expect that. The only way to resolve this issue is conduct a survey. Those chanting for several years the Hare Krishna mantra and incidence of cancer from this group. Those not chanting Hare Krishna mantra and the incidence of cancer from this non-chanting of the Hare Krishna group. That would be a good start. The information of chanting the Hare Krishna mantra to prevent/cure cancer has not been widely spread yet. You see, if one is into Krishna consciousness people may start to go vegetarian, become non-alcoholic drinkers, non-coffee drinkers, and all that stuff that can give you stress/cancer, Hare Krishna chanters will stop from smoking cigarettes. These vices can give one cancer, right? You get cancer for psychic and psychological reasons, not for physical reasons. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 15, 2024 19:33:49 GMT -5
When you identify with any thinking it is an error. ... I can see that. I observe the pain and suffering that result from not-thinking and from defectuous-thinking. I doubt that you acquired that belief from your inner undistorted knowledge. We'll all see eventually. . It’s not a belief. It’s born of a direct experience. It’s the difference between believing the ocean is salty because you read or heard it somewhere and tasting it for yourself and KNOWING it directly. If you practiced stilling your mind you might come to know it directly too. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 15, 2024 19:39:45 GMT -5
The only way to resolve this issue is conduct a survey. Those chanting for several years the Hare Krishna mantra and incidence of cancer from this group. Those not chanting Hare Krishna mantra and the incidence of cancer from this non-chanting of the Hare Krishna group. That would be a good start. The information of chanting the Hare Krishna mantra to prevent/cure cancer has not been widely spread yet. You see, if one is into Krishna consciousness people may start to go vegetarian, become non-alcoholic drinkers, non-coffee drinkers, and all that stuff that can give you stress/cancer, Hare Krishna chanters will stop from smoking cigarettes. These vices can give one cancer, right? , not for physical reasons. You mean the cancers of Nisa, Ramana, Enigma and many more were that as you say? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 15, 2024 19:47:46 GMT -5
You get cancer for psychic and psychological reasons, not for physical reasons. You mean the cancers of Nisa, Ramana, Enigma and many more were that as you say? Yes. That is what I mean. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 15, 2024 21:21:55 GMT -5
You mean the cancers of Nisa, Ramana, Enigma and many more were that as you say? Yes. That is what I mean. Does this premise of yours holds true for leukemia? |
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Post by YoMadreGorda on Nov 15, 2024 21:37:32 GMT -5
You get cancer for psychic and psychological reasons, not for physical reasons. You mean the cancers of Nisa, Ramana, Enigma and many more were that as you say? As he said previously, he believes there is no shared reality, in which we all share. Therefore, he is only speaking about this private, personal universe. Cancer may be caused by psychic factors in his universe, but that has nothing to do with your universe, or mine, so you don't need to concern yourself with it. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 15, 2024 21:42:58 GMT -5
You mean the cancers of Nisa, Ramana, Enigma and many more were that as you say? As he said previously, he believes there is no shared reality, in which we all share. Therefore, he is only speaking about this private, personal universe. Cancer may be caused by psychic factors in his universe, but that has nothing to do with your universe, or mine, so you don't need to concern yourself with it. As a medical doctor should I not be concerned with it? |
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