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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 2, 2024 20:39:42 GMT -5
Q: If you would talk like this in the West, people would take you for mad.
M: Of course, they would! To the ignorant all that they can not understand is madness. What of it? Let them be as they are. I am as I am, for no merit of mine and they are as they are, for no fault of theirs. The Supreme Reality manifests itself in innumerable ways. Infinite in number are its names and shapes. All arise, all merge in the same ocean, the source of all is one. Looking for causes and results is but the pastime of the mind. What is, is lovable. Love is not a result, it is the very ground of being. Wherever you go, you will find being, consciousness and love.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 3, 2024 8:07:31 GMT -5
Q: How is the Absolute experienced?
M: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 5, 2024 8:43:05 GMT -5
Q: Where does it all lead me?
M: When the mind is kept away from its preoccupations, it becomes quiet. If you do not disturb this quiet and stay in it, you find that it is permeated with a light and a love you have never known; and yet you recognize it at once as your own nature. Once you have passed through this experience, you will never be the same man again; the unruly mind may break its peace and obliterate its vision; but it is bound to return, provided the effort is sustained; until the day when all bonds are broken,
delusions and attachments end and life becomes supremely concentrated in the present.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 16, 2024 6:45:35 GMT -5
Q: Is self-realisation so important?
M: Without it you will be consumed by desires and fears, repeating themselves meaninglessly in endless suffering. Most of the people do not know that there can be an end to pain. But once they have heard the good news, obviously going beyond all strife and struggle is the most urgent task that can be. You know that you can be free and now it is up to you. Either you remain forever hungry and thirsty, longing, searching, grabbing, holding, ever losing and sorrowing, or go out whole-heartedly in search of the state of timeless perfection to which nothing can be added, from which nothing can be taken away. In it all desires and fears are absent, not because they were given up, but because they have lost their meaning.
Q: So far I have been following you. Now, what am I expected to do?
M: There is nothing to do. Just be. Do nothing. Be. No climbing mountains and sitting in caves. I do not even say: 'be yourself', since you do not know yourself. Just be. Having seen that you are neither the 'outer' world of perceivables, nor the 'inner' world of thinkables, that you are neither body nor mind -- just be.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 23, 2024 18:50:14 GMT -5
"People come here and ask for blessings; they don't understand that the knowledge that one is not the body, but the consciousness within, is the blessing"
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 25, 2024 8:45:41 GMT -5
Q: What is the relation between the inner and the outer Gurus?
M: The outer represent the inner, the inner accepts the outer -- for a time.
Q: Whose is the effort?
M: The disciple's, of course. The outer Guru gives the instructions, the inner sends the strength;
the alert application is the disciple's. Without will, intelligence and energy on the part of the disciple
the outer Guru is helpless. The inner Guru bids his chance. Obtuseness and wrong pursuits bring
about a crisis and the disciple wakes up to his own plight. Wise is he who does not wait for a shock,
which can be quite rude.
Q: Is it a threat?
M: Not a threat, a warning. The inner Guru is not committed to non-violence. He can be quite
violent at times, to the point of destroying the obtuse or perverted personality. Suffering and death,
as life and happiness, are his tools of work. It is only in duality that non-violence becomes the
unifying law.
Q: Has one to be afraid of his own self?
M: Not afraid, for the self means well.. But it must be taken seriously. It calls for attention and
obedience; when it is not listened to, it turns from persuasion to compulsion, for while it can wait, it
shall not be denied. The difficulty lies not with the Guru, inner or outer. The Guru is always
available. It is the ripe disciple that is lacking. When a person is not ready, what can be done?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2024 10:19:24 GMT -5
Q: What is the relation between the inner and the outer Gurus? M: The outer represent the inner, the inner accepts the outer -- for a time. Q: Whose is the effort?M: The disciple's, of course. The outer Guru gives the instructions, the inner sends the strength; the alert application is the disciple's. Without will, intelligence and energy on the part of the disciple
the outer Guru is helpless. The inner Guru bids his chance. Obtuseness and wrong pursuits bring
about a crisis and the disciple wakes up to his own plight. Wise is he who does not wait for a shock,
which can be quite rude.Q: Is it a threat? M: Not a threat, a warning. The inner Guru is not committed to non-violence. He can be quite
violent at times, to the point of destroying the obtuse or perverted personality. Suffering and death,
as life and happiness, are his tools of work. It is only in duality that non-violence becomes the unifying law. Q: Has one to be afraid of his own self?M: Not afraid, for the self means well.. But it must be taken seriously. It calls for attention and
obedience; when it is not listened to, it turns from persuasion to compulsion, for while it can wait, it
shall not be denied. The difficulty lies not with the Guru, inner or outer. The Guru is always available. It is the ripe disciple that is lacking. When a person is not ready, what can be done? Could you tell where this is from? I'd like to ~read more around~ this dialogue. It's very, very, very Gurdjieff-like. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 25, 2024 10:28:37 GMT -5
Q: What is the relation between the inner and the outer Gurus? M: The outer represent the inner, the inner accepts the outer -- for a time. Q: Whose is the effort?M: The disciple's, of course. The outer Guru gives the instructions, the inner sends the strength; the alert application is the disciple's. Without will, intelligence and energy on the part of the disciple
the outer Guru is helpless. The inner Guru bids his chance. Obtuseness and wrong pursuits bring
about a crisis and the disciple wakes up to his own plight. Wise is he who does not wait for a shock,
which can be quite rude.Q: Is it a threat? M: Not a threat, a warning. The inner Guru is not committed to non-violence. He can be quite
violent at times, to the point of destroying the obtuse or perverted personality. Suffering and death,
as life and happiness, are his tools of work. It is only in duality that non-violence becomes the unifying law. Q: Has one to be afraid of his own self?M: Not afraid, for the self means well.. But it must be taken seriously. It calls for attention and
obedience; when it is not listened to, it turns from persuasion to compulsion, for while it can wait, it
shall not be denied. The difficulty lies not with the Guru, inner or outer. The Guru is always available. It is the ripe disciple that is lacking. When a person is not ready, what can be done? Could you tell where this is from? I'd like to ~read more around~ this dialogue. It's very, very, very Gurdjieff-like. It's a very interesting quote, isn't it? I sat with it for about 10 minutes contemplating it, and feeling it through. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2024 11:27:07 GMT -5
Could you tell where this is from? I'd like to ~read more around~ this dialogue. It's very, very, very Gurdjieff-like. It's a very interesting quote, isn't it? I sat with it for about 10 minutes contemplating it, and feeling it through. Yes, very interesting. Gurdjieff's primary emphasis was we need shocks to wake up. This was the reason for a lot of bizarre behavior, in relation to his students. The other name for the practice self-remembering, is the first conscious shock. I have a few books by Niz, hoping this is from I Am That (which I never read in full). |
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Post by inavalan on Jul 25, 2024 16:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 25, 2024 19:42:33 GMT -5
Yes. That's it. Thanks for posting it.  |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 29, 2024 21:43:26 GMT -5
Q: It is better to live long and healthy. It gives us a chance to avoid the mistakes of childhood and
youth, the frustrations of adulthood, the miseries and imbecility of old age.
M: By all means live long. But you are not the master. Can you decide the days of your birth and
death? We are not speaking the same language. Yours is a make-believe talk, all hangs on
suppositions and assumptions. You speak with assurance about things you are not sure of.
Q: Therefore, I am here.
M: You are not yet here. I am here. Come in! But you don't. You want me to live your life, feel your
way, use your language. I cannot, and it will not help you. You must come to me. Words are of the
mind and the mind obscures and distorts. Hence the absolute need to go beyond words and move
over to my side.
Q: Take me over.
M: I am doing it, but you resist. You give reality to concepts, while concepts are distortions of
reality. Abandon all conceptualisation and stay silent and attentive. Be earnest about it and all will
be well with you.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 4, 2024 20:07:19 GMT -5
M: Pain is physical; suffering is mental. Beyond the mind there is no suffering...Pain is essential for the survival of the body, but none compels you to suffer. Suffering is due entirely to clinging or resisting; it is a sign of our unwillingness to move on, to flow with life. As a sane life is free of pain, so is a saintly life free from suffering.
Q: Nobody has suffered more than saints.
M: Did they tell you, or do you say so on your own? The essence of saintliness is total acceptance of the present moment, harmony with things as they happen. A saint does not want things to be different from what they are; he knows that, considering all factors, they are unavoidable. He is friendly with the inevitable and, therefore, does not suffer. Pain he may know, but it does not shatter him. If he can, he does the needful to restore the lost balance -- or he lets things take their course.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 19, 2024 7:09:58 GMT -5
Q: What is meditation and what are its uses?
M: As long as you are a beginner certain formalised meditations, or prayers
may be good for you. But for a seeker for reality there is only one meditation -- the
rigorous refusal to harbour thoughts. To be free from thoughts is itself meditation.
Q: How is it done?
M: You begin by letting thoughts flow and watching them. The very
observation slows down the mind till it stops altogether. Once the mind is quiet,
keep it quiet. Don't get bored with peace, be in it, go deeper into it.
M: Man becomes what he believes himself to be. Abandon all ideas about
yourself and you will find yourself to be the pure witness, beyond all that can
happen to the body or the mind.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 23, 2024 23:06:29 GMT -5
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