Love

[Gopal]

Greetings,



I've compiled Enigma's profound insights on Love and shared them here for your consideration. This valuable information deserves attention, so I thought it best to share it.



You can find the content at: spiritualteacher.proboards.com/thread/23/love



Please note that I don't prefer arguments on the forum where I posted this. It's meant for reference purposes. Let's continue our discussions here. Thank you.

[zendancer]

Everything he wrote there seems on target to me. The kind of love E points to is what the Greeks called "agape" and is unconditional. Someone who loves another in that sense only wants the other to be happy, even if the other chooses to leave the relationship.

Byron Katie was once asked how she would feel if her husband became interested in someone else. Her response, in essence, was, "If he pulled away, there would be acceptance of that. I would not want him to stay with me if he wanted to be with someone else. I would still love him, but we would no longer be together. True love is wanting the best for each other whether together or apart." That's not an exact quote, but it coveys the sense of what she was pointing to.

[Gopal]

Mar 1, 2024 11:20:19 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Everything he wrote there seems on target to me. The kind of love E points to is what the Greeks called "agape" and is unconditional. Someone who loves another in that sense only wants the other to be happy, even if the other chooses to leave the relationship.

Byron Katie was once asked how she would feel if her husband became interested in someone else. Her response, in essence, was, "If he pulled away, there would be acceptance of that. I would not want him to stay with me if he wanted to be with someone else. I would still love him, but we would no longer be together. True love is wanting the best for each other whether together or apart." That's not an exact quote, but it coveys the sense of what she was pointing to.

It's not about making others happy. He says Love always exist but experienced only when we move out of the way (trying to love or be loved). Since other person or you are not the reason for the love, other person is not possible to move away from you (as you pointed by Byron Katie's example). Love brings both of you together. That's his point. I love the line of him 'Love moves when there is no giver'. 

[andrew]

Mar 1, 2024 11:41:44 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Mar 1, 2024 11:20:19 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Everything he wrote there seems on target to me. The kind of love E points to is what the Greeks called "agape" and is unconditional. Someone who loves another in that sense only wants the other to be happy, even if the other chooses to leave the relationship.

Byron Katie was once asked how she would feel if her husband became interested in someone else. Her response, in essence, was, "If he pulled away, there would be acceptance of that. I would not want him to stay with me if he wanted to be with someone else. I would still love him, but we would no longer be together. True love is wanting the best for each other whether together or apart." That's not an exact quote, but it coveys the sense of what she was pointing to.

It's not about making others happy. He says Love always exist but experienced only when we move out of the way (trying to love or be loved). Since other person or you are not the reason for the love, other person is not possible to move away from you (as you pointed by Byron Katie's example). Love brings both of you together. That's his point. I love the line of him 'Love moves when there is no giver'. 

That doesn't necessarily mean 'physically' though. The point of an 'impersonal unconditional Love' is that time, space, physical characteristics and behaviours have no impact on the Love.

[Gopal]

Mar 1, 2024 12:07:59 GMT -5 andrew said:

Mar 1, 2024 11:41:44 GMT -5 Gopal said:

It's not about making others happy. He says Love always exist but experienced only when we move out of the way (trying to love or be loved). Since other person or you are not the reason for the love, other person is not possible to move away from you (as you pointed by Byron Katie's example). Love brings both of you together. That's his point. I love the line of him 'Love moves when there is no giver'. 

That doesn't necessarily mean 'physically' though. The point of an 'impersonal unconditional Love' is that time, space, physical characteristics and behaviours have no impact on the Love.

Need other person for love to be expressed. So, when there is Love, two of them are called together for the experience in the name of Love. 

[andrew]

Mar 1, 2024 12:14:45 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Mar 1, 2024 12:07:59 GMT -5 andrew said:

That doesn't necessarily mean 'physically' though. The point of an 'impersonal unconditional Love' is that time, space, physical characteristics and behaviours have no impact on the Love.

Need other person for love to be expressed. So, when there is Love, two of them are called together for the experience in the name of Love. 

The way you are talking about it sounds more like a more personal, more romantic, love to me. Which is valid.

My view of Love is that it is like a 'diamond' (and this diamond is what we are), and that this diamond has many facets because no two relationships are ever quite the same. Romantic personal love is one of those facets, but even with women that I've had close relations with in my life, the love has never been exactly the same. Which is amazing really, it makes life sooo diverse and interesting. Whereas my relationship with guinea pigs is equally as loving, but less romantic

[Gopal]

Mar 1, 2024 12:24:38 GMT -5 andrew said:

Mar 1, 2024 12:14:45 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Need other person for love to be expressed. So, when there is Love, two of them are called together for the experience in the name of Love. 

The way you are talking about it sounds more like a more personal, more romantic, love to me. Which is valid.

My view of Love is that it is like a 'diamond' (and this diamond is what we are), and that this diamond has many facets because no two relationships are ever quite the same. Romantic personal love is one of those facets, but even with women that I've had close relations with in my life, the love has never been exactly the same. Which is amazing really, it makes life sooo diverse and interesting. Whereas my relationship with guinea pigs is equally as loving, but less romantic

I was not talking about personal Love, that's my whole point. Love is expressed when there is no giver is his point. You and the other can not make it happen both can experience the Love. Love move by itself. Please read the link I gave.

[andrew]

Mar 1, 2024 13:12:39 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Mar 1, 2024 12:24:38 GMT -5 andrew said:

The way you are talking about it sounds more like a more personal, more romantic, love to me. Which is valid.

My view of Love is that it is like a 'diamond' (and this diamond is what we are), and that this diamond has many facets because no two relationships are ever quite the same. Romantic personal love is one of those facets, but even with women that I've had close relations with in my life, the love has never been exactly the same. Which is amazing really, it makes life sooo diverse and interesting. Whereas my relationship with guinea pigs is equally as loving, but less romantic

I was not talking about personal Love, that's my whole point. Love is expressed when there is no giver is his point. You and the other can not make it happen both can experience the Love. Love move by itself. Please read the link I gave.

Yes, I get you (and E) there. I don't really see it as love 'moving', but it's a minor quibble.

[inavalan]

I wonder why use a word that already has so many nuanced meanings to define something that you (impersonal use here) say that it is impossible to describe, and you can't do anything consciously to experience.

I guess this is an example of foolishness.

[inavalan]

You might enjoy this site:

TILT: The Institute for Love and Time link

Serendipitously I learned about it from this scientific paper:

• Mossbridge, J. (2023). Precognition at the Boundaries: An Empirical Review and Theoretical Discussion. Journal of Anomalous Experience and Cognition, 3(1), 5–41. doi.org/10.31156/jaex.24216
  
  Abstract
  
  The rigorous scientific study of precognition, the human ability to accurately predict future events that are not already predictable based on information about the past or from the five senses, spans the last 90 years. This review describes different types of precognition, underscores the basic principles of precognition research, and discusses the evidence for and potential mechanisms of two very different forms of precognition: 1) mostly unconscious precognition with short lead times (e.g., presentiment) and 2) mostly conscious precognition with longer lead times (e.g., precognitive remote viewing). I describe two potential models to explain each of these forms of precognition, along with ideas for empirical tests of each one.

[Gopal]

Mar 1, 2024 13:22:23 GMT -5 andrew said:

Mar 1, 2024 13:12:39 GMT -5 Gopal said:

I was not talking about personal Love, that's my whole point. Love is expressed when there is no giver is his point. You and the other can not make it happen both can experience the Love. Love move by itself. Please read the link I gave.

Yes, I get you (and E) there. I don't really see it as love 'moving', but it's a minor quibble.

Love moving means Love is experienced. Love is witnessed when it moves. But it moves in the absence of one who would Love or be loved. Never heard anywhere like this like the way Enigma writes.

[bluey]

Beautiful post

Earlier I was out with my crew

And we had a few drinks

I’ve always been around the tradition growing up finding the truth don’t drink don’t eat meat

Don’t do this or that

But Being around David Barry Long Ian I became more Nothing

When I came on this forum the girl 👧 I forget her name was kicked off she created her own forum

But I felt me in her but I felt she’s a loving person

I don’t what Beauty is or love is

But I feel something I can’t explain it

It’s a different love

I always find my eyes just meet another at times and something happens without me

In the way

Love

It’s so deep Gopal

Like today I just wanted to feel ordinary

As I was out with the crew

Just to be the old me but also this love that placed me on a cross ✝️ and said I am love

Only

I know but I still love that the ordinary👩😊🥊

You can be awakened but it’s lonely, unless others taste the same

[bluey]

Beautiful post

Earlier I was out with my crew

And we had a few drinks

I’ve always been around the tradition growing up finding the truth don’t drink don’t eat meat

Don’t do this or that

But Being around David Barry Long Ian I became more Nothing

When I came on this forum the girl 👧 I forget her name was kicked off she created her own forum

But I felt me in her but I felt she’s a loving person

I don’t what Beauty is or love is

But I feel something I can’t explain it

It’s a different love

I always find my eyes just meet another at times and something happens without me

In the way

Love

It’s so deep Gopal

Like today I just wanted to feel ordinary

As I was out with the crew

Just to be the old me but also this love that placed me on a cross ✝️ and said I am love

Only

I know but I still love that the ordinary👩😊🥊

You can be awakened but it’s lonely, unless others taste the same

[Gopal]

Mar 1, 2024 21:02:17 GMT -5 bluey said:

Beautiful post

Earlier I was out with my crew

And we had a few drinks

I’ve always been around the tradition growing up finding the truth don’t drink don’t eat meat

Don’t do this or that

But Being around David Barry Long Ian I became more Nothing

When I came on this forum the girl 👧 I forget her name was kicked off she created her own forum

But I felt me in her but I felt she’s a loving person

I don’t what Beauty is or love is

But I feel something I can’t explain it

It’s a different love

I always find my eyes just meet another at times and something happens without me

In the way

Love

It’s so deep Gopal

Like today I just wanted to feel ordinary

As I was out with the crew

Just to be the old me but also this love that placed me on a cross ✝️ and said I am love

Only

I know but I still love that the ordinary👩😊🥊

You can be awakened but it’s lonely, unless others taste the same

Cheers!

[bluey]

Love


I’m always drawn to love Gopal

I’ve walked next to the best teachers Gopal

From my first teacher David, Barry Long, Ian Wolstenholme

Always being the seeker

But around me I’ve always shared over

I don’t know 🤷‍♂️ if it’s a brown or white guru thing

A love thing

As I know this space but it’s still different when you share over

As my sisters said today as I have seven Bach why do you look into a space and look behind us

It’s love 💕

But I love 💕 to share

To be a student 👨‍🎓 to anyone

But I’ve found my Gurus always have to have the last say

And that’s not Love

I know you know this and zen dancer or anyone can add to this

No book no guru no method is required

Love

I’m still a moth to the flame 🔥