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Post by laughter on Feb 27, 2024 2:38:34 GMT -5
"You don't know what you don't know" has a different meaning than "You don't know that you don't know" has. I wrote the former. The latter is also related to the D-K efect, which asserts a linear interpolation, where there is a polynomial one. Yes, of course, and I connected the two for you. To restate what I wrote there, relative to what you wrote here: once you admit that you don't know (acknowledge the 4th entry, the unknown unknowns), you open up the possibility of discovering what you don't know. Cognitive bias, generally, can become a known unknown. Going looking for them, specifically, can move a given bias from the second into the first entry of the table, as you become conscious of them. |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 3, 2024 14:39:52 GMT -5
- www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/long-covid-may-cause-cognitive-decline-of-about-six-iq-points-study-finds/ar-BB1j7HRJ
Long covid may cause cognitive decline of about six IQ points, study finds
Story by Victoria Bisset • 3d • 4 min read
Now, a new study has some worrying findings that suggest covid may have longer-term effects on cognition and memory — and that these lead to measurable differences in cognitive performance.
The study, published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that participants who recovered from covid symptoms had a cognitive deficit equivalent to three IQ points compared with those who were never infected, while participants suffering from unresolved covid symptoms lasting 12 weeks or more experienced a loss equivalent to six IQ points.
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The tests covered various aspects of cognitive performance but found that tasks involving memory, reasoning and planning “were among the most sensitive to Covid-19-related cognitive differences.”
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The study had a number of limitations. The researchers did not have information on individuals’ cognitive abilities before they were infected and therefore compared their results to those of participants who hadn’t had covid, rather than measuring the change in their own cognition.
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Talk about bad science ... Actually the study shows that low IQ favored getting (long) covid. I suggest that the explanation is the same as for the placebo / nocebo effects.I couldn't find any study that correlates the placebo / nocebo with the IQ of the subjects, but this study seems to unintentionally have done that. |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 6, 2024 1:37:59 GMT -5
Dr. John E Sarno - 20/20 Segment Is Most Back Pain Caused by Repressed Emotions?- Few people want to be told that their pain is psychological or emotional in origin, but there’s quite a bit of evidence that backs this up. Studies suggest that, to be effective, pain needs to be addressed from a biopsychosocial perspective
The late Dr. John Sarno used mind-body techniques to treat patients with severe low back pain. He believed you unconsciously cause your own pain, and that pain is your brain’s response to unaddressed stress, anger or fear
Pain acts as a distraction from the anger, fear or rage you don’t want to feel or think about, acting as a lid to keep unwanted emotions from erupting. Sarno believed most pain can be overcome by acknowledging its psychological roots
Research supports Sarno's ideas. In one study, emotion awareness and expression therapy reduced chronic musculoskeletal pain by 30% in two-thirds of patients; one-third of patients improved by 70%
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Post by Reefs on Mar 8, 2024 8:30:13 GMT -5
Dr. John E Sarno - 20/20 Segment Is Most Back Pain Caused by Repressed Emotions?- Few people want to be told that their pain is psychological or emotional in origin, but there’s quite a bit of evidence that backs this up. Studies suggest that, to be effective, pain needs to be addressed from a biopsychosocial perspective
The late Dr. John Sarno used mind-body techniques to treat patients with severe low back pain. He believed you unconsciously cause your own pain, and that pain is your brain’s response to unaddressed stress, anger or fear
Pain acts as a distraction from the anger, fear or rage you don’t want to feel or think about, acting as a lid to keep unwanted emotions from erupting. Sarno believed most pain can be overcome by acknowledging its psychological roots
Research supports Sarno's ideas. In one study, emotion awareness and expression therapy reduced chronic musculoskeletal pain by 30% in two-thirds of patients; one-third of patients improved by 70%
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Post by inavalan on Mar 8, 2024 19:18:04 GMT -5
Dr. John E Sarno - 20/20 Segment Is Most Back Pain Caused by Repressed Emotions?- Few people want to be told that their pain is psychological or emotional in origin, but there’s quite a bit of evidence that backs this up. Studies suggest that, to be effective, pain needs to be addressed from a biopsychosocial perspective
The late Dr. John Sarno used mind-body techniques to treat patients with severe low back pain. He believed you unconsciously cause your own pain, and that pain is your brain’s response to unaddressed stress, anger or fear
Pain acts as a distraction from the anger, fear or rage you don’t want to feel or think about, acting as a lid to keep unwanted emotions from erupting. Sarno believed most pain can be overcome by acknowledging its psychological roots
Research supports Sarno's ideas. In one study, emotion awareness and expression therapy reduced chronic musculoskeletal pain by 30% in two-thirds of patients; one-third of patients improved by 70%
htmlpdfThe guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ...  on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2024 8:57:11 GMT -5
The guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ... on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. The point of the video was that the human body is not built for a sedentary life style. So there's a much simpler explanation. And this is where your belief-based approach is misguided. This is also where a scientific, study-based approach is misguided (you can 'prove' either side of the argument with 'studies'). This isn't to say that beliefs do not play a role, they certainly do, but beliefs are only one piece of the puzzle. Also, you put too much trust into knowledge. The body has an intelligence of its own, and it's the same intelligence that created this universe. And left to itself, the body will guide your to the right behavior, it will tell you which way to sit right, which way to move, what to eat and when etc. etc. We don't need to know any of that on an intellectual or even conscious level, as the examples of children have shown in the video. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 9, 2024 9:24:00 GMT -5
The guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ... on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. This might be true for some people, but not for others. Some of us know why we're here, what we have to do, and how to find answers to any questions that might arise. For people in this category the intellect is a servant rather than a master, and they trust a deeper level of intelligence to take care of everything from circulating blood in the body to making whatever needs to be done simple and obvious. The key to finding peace, freedom, and happiness is escaping the consensus paradigm and discovering that there is no "me" at the center of whatever is happening and that separation is the fundamental illusion. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 9, 2024 9:25:08 GMT -5
The guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ... on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. The point of the video was that the human body is not built for a sedentary life style. So there's a much simpler explanation. And this is where your belief-based approach is misguided. This is also where a scientific, study-based approach is misguided (you can 'prove' either side of the argument with 'studies'). This isn't to say that beliefs do not play a role, they certainly do, but beliefs are only one piece of the puzzle. Also, you put too much trust into knowledge. The body has an intelligence of its own, and it's the same intelligence that created this universe. And left to itself, the body will guide your to the right behavior, it will tell you which way to sit right, which way to move, what to eat and when etc. etc. We don't need to know any of that on an intellectual or even conscious level, as the examples of children have shown in the video. So true! |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 9, 2024 13:12:42 GMT -5
The guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ... on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. The point of the video was that the human body is not built for a sedentary life style. So there's a much simpler explanation. And this is where your belief-based approach is misguided. This is also where a scientific, study-based approach is misguided (you can 'prove' either side of the argument with 'studies'). This isn't to say that beliefs do not play a role, they certainly do, but beliefs are only one piece of the puzzle. Also, you put too much trust into knowledge. The body has an intelligence of its own, and it's the same intelligence that created this universe. And left to itself, the body will guide your to the right behavior, it will tell you which way to sit right, which way to move, what to eat and when etc. etc. We don't need to know any of that on an intellectual or even conscious level, as the examples of children have shown in the video. I see it differently, and I am consistent in my views. In my opinion, most people who express their spiritual beliefs aren't consistent. I don't claim that I am sure that I am right, or that I know the truth; I express my opinions and hypotheses, and live by them. It seems you misunderstand me, but I can live with that. |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 9, 2024 13:30:35 GMT -5
The guy was personable, and seemed to believe what he was preaching. But, likely, he is misguided ... on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences. This might be true for some people, but not for others. Some of us know why we're here, what we have to do, and how to find answers to any questions that might arise. For people in this category the intellect is a servant rather than a master, and they trust a deeper level of intelligence to take care of everything from circulating blood in the body to making whatever needs to be done simple and obvious. The key to finding peace, freedom, and happiness is escaping the consensus paradigm and discovering that there is no "me" at the center of whatever is happening and that separation is the fundamental illusion. I disagree that you know the answers to those questions, or that you know better than I do, and even your current replies shows these to me. I accept your right to your opinions, and don't expect to change them, nor others'. I honestly believe that you might benefit from doubting your current beliefs, and obviously not adhering to mine, but by putting aside all your truths, and tapping your inner guidance from the pupil position. It is true that I expect you to ignore my suggestion, and I am okay with that. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 9, 2024 18:20:47 GMT -5
This might be true for some people, but not for others. Some of us know why we're here, what we have to do, and how to find answers to any questions that might arise. For people in this category the intellect is a servant rather than a master, and they trust a deeper level of intelligence to take care of everything from circulating blood in the body to making whatever needs to be done simple and obvious. The key to finding peace, freedom, and happiness is escaping the consensus paradigm and discovering that there is no "me" at the center of whatever is happening and that separation is the fundamental illusion. I disagree that you know the answers to those questions, or that you know better than I do, and even your current replies shows these to me. I accept your right to your opinions, and don't expect to change them, nor others'. I honestly believe that you might benefit from doubting your current beliefs, and obviously not adhering to mine, but by putting aside all your truths, and tapping your inner guidance from the pupil position. It is true that I expect you to ignore my suggestion, and I am okay with that. Tapping one's inner guidance is what many of us on this forum are always pointing to, so we're definitely in agreement about that. However, it goes a bit deeper than that because there is no "me" who can "tap into anything" or do anything. It's more like realizing that what one IS is the unified field of all being which is always doing whatever is done. The issue is how to stop imagining separateness so that the organism can respond to whatever's happening spontaneously and effortlessly. The problem for most people is that they think they're separate things living in a world composed of separate things who need to control or direct what's happening, and that's the basic illusion that creates suffering. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 9, 2024 18:31:38 GMT -5
I disagree that you know the answers to those questions, or that you know better than I do, and even your current replies shows these to me. I accept your right to your opinions, and don't expect to change them, nor others'. I honestly believe that you might benefit from doubting your current beliefs, and obviously not adhering to mine, but by putting aside all your truths, and tapping your inner guidance from the pupil position. It is true that I expect you to ignore my suggestion, and I am okay with that. Tapping one's inner guidance is what many of us on this forum are always pointing to, so we're definitely in agreement about that. However, it goes a bit deeper than that because there is no "me" who can "tap into anything" or do anything. It's more like realizing that what one IS is the unified field of all being which is always doing whatever is done. The issue is how to stop imagining separateness so that the organism can respond to whatever's happening spontaneously and effortlessly. The problem for most people is that they think they're separate things living in a world composed of separate things who need to. control or direct what's happening, and that's the basic illusion that creates suffering. In other words, "everything moves as one". |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2024 23:33:08 GMT -5
The point of the video was that the human body is not built for a sedentary life style. So there's a much simpler explanation. And this is where your belief-based approach is misguided. This is also where a scientific, study-based approach is misguided (you can 'prove' either side of the argument with 'studies'). This isn't to say that beliefs do not play a role, they certainly do, but beliefs are only one piece of the puzzle. Also, you put too much trust into knowledge. The body has an intelligence of its own, and it's the same intelligence that created this universe. And left to itself, the body will guide your to the right behavior, it will tell you which way to sit right, which way to move, what to eat and when etc. etc. We don't need to know any of that on an intellectual or even conscious level, as the examples of children have shown in the video. I see it differently, and I am consistent in my views. In my opinion, most people who express their spiritual beliefs aren't consistent. I don't claim that I am sure that I am right, or that I know the truth; I express my opinions and hypotheses, and live by them. It seems you misunderstand me, but I can live with that. Your belief system is overly complex. That's why you've overlooked such simple and obvious alternative explanation. When your foot hurts, it may just be because you've stubbed your toe, not because you haven't worked out repressed emotions that are stuck in your toe. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2024 23:43:38 GMT -5
This might be true for some people, but not for others. Some of us know why we're here, what we have to do, and how to find answers to any questions that might arise. For people in this category the intellect is a servant rather than a master, and they trust a deeper level of intelligence to take care of everything from circulating blood in the body to making whatever needs to be done simple and obvious. The key to finding peace, freedom, and happiness is escaping the consensus paradigm and discovering that there is no "me" at the center of whatever is happening and that separation is the fundamental illusion. I disagree that you know the answers to those questions, or that you know better than I do, and even your current replies shows these to me. I accept your right to your opinions, and don't expect to change them, nor others'. I honestly believe that you might benefit from doubting your current beliefs, and obviously not adhering to mine, but by putting aside all your truths, and tapping your inner guidance from the pupil position. It is true that I expect you to ignore my suggestion, and I am okay with that. What we are talking about is not knowledge or beliefs. But this text based medium forces us to present it in a way that makes it look like beliefs or knowledge. That's why we call it pointing. But if you can only operate in the context of knowledge and beliefs as you do, then that fact gets lost. So as long as you believe that there is nothing beyond or prior to beliefs and knowledge, we will keep talking past each other. Because what we are pointing to, from your perspective, is unthinkable, unimaginable and therefore cannot and does not exist. So I suggest a less dogmatic, less closed-minded approach. Notice also that many here agree with your perspective to a large degree, it's just that many here don't accept it as the ultimate truth, but point to something further as the ultimate truth, which you can't see because you've settle with your current belief-based perspective as the ultimate truth. So, the ball is in your court. |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 9, 2024 23:55:31 GMT -5
I see it differently, and I am consistent in my views. In my opinion, most people who express their spiritual beliefs aren't consistent. I don't claim that I am sure that I am right, or that I know the truth; I express my opinions and hypotheses, and live by them. It seems you misunderstand me, but I can live with that. Your belief system is overly complex. That's why you've overlooked such simple and obvious alternative explanation. When your foot hurts, it may just be because you've stubbed your toe, not because you haven't worked out repressed emotions that are stuck in your toe. Nope. You don't stub your toe by accident. At subconscious level, you see it coming and can avoid it. At that level you let it happen to learn at awake-conscious level that you attracted that accident into your reality, and it is your mission to find out what belief, emotion, expectation caused you to attract it, and change it. My model seems to you to be complex because you look at it through the filter of your beliefs, that are mostly incompatible with mine. That's why I keep suggesting that people should leave aside all their beliefs if they want to understand more. Surely, if you believe that you already know "the truth", that is the first belief that you have to put aside. This is very difficult. Even Wu Wei recommended that in the book you suggested some time ago, then he went ahead ignoring his recommendation with rationalizations that led him astray, in my opinion. |
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on several levels, including health / lack-of-pain. But, this is our general situation: we don't know why we are here, we don't know what we have to do, we don't know how to find useful answers to those questions, and there are a lot of unbeneficial influences.