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Post by michaelsees on Mar 22, 2011 18:11:19 GMT -5
So much of my peripheral vision was clear that it was like me, and everything around me, became one big picture. Yeah sounds good my friend. I have been lucid dreaming since I was a child. Funny I was chating with another member today about this. When I was small I would get night terrors they are much different than your nightmare. You really think you are going to die and your terrified not just scared. Now the odd thing about night terrors you never remember what it is that is frightening you. Well no one could do anything for me so I did it myself I found a way to wake myself up in the night terror before it starts. Then the terrors stopped. I then progress to wake myself up in a dream so I gained control of my dream it was if I was a silent witness to my dream just watching and if the dream went a way I did not like I change it just by thought. So I love to dream. Sorry I know I digressed. Well one night I had this dream and I stood up in the dream and I had 360 degree vision I could see everything at once I have to tell you it's a amazing feeling. But it's impossible to describe, just like the actual you cannot describe it only experience it. So it sounds to me you are peeping through the veil. Michael |
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Post by sharon on Mar 22, 2011 18:46:33 GMT -5
What you are created this for your mind to process it. Dissolution is one of the greatest gifts we can give ourselves and yet it's about letting go totally ...
Below what we can see and feel with our feet ... there is nothing.
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Post by bruppy on Apr 12, 2011 20:58:44 GMT -5
Ha ha, I remember reading that UG reckoned he only saw 2D as in a flat screen. I see it too. Everyone does, but dont think they do. ha. Its interesting, its challenging knowledge, belief. I dont feel its a thing in itself, but part of a process that this sort of thing is a part of. Questioning and exploring our basic assumptions. my 2.5cents worth. You know, I'm curious about this. I've had instances where the world appears 2D like a giant painting, and I've had instances where the world appeared suddenly 'more' 3D, like there was an intimate awareness of layers (ie. - see the tree closest first, and its branches overlap part of a storm drain, which is closer than the car down the street..). Is any of that worthwhile? Any experience is pretty useless in the grand scheme of things (other than getting one to notice certain things), but how does this 2D / 3D business translate? From what I've gathered it's just perception, which is entirely relative. This is seen when this is done; this is seen when this other thing is done. Neither seen thing is important, only the seeing of the seeing. Maybe? I feel its here nor there, but potentially an important part of here nor there. It is our knowledge of 3D, that makes what we see. 2D, into 3D. I am not implying that reality is just a 2D affair, but what do I know. This in itself is just seeing what knowledge does. It is useful to know about the tangible 3D world. Got to catch a bus, or drive a car, or walk down the road. It would be problematic without this knowledge, this perception of the 3D world. Questioning these basic assumptions, and looking at what we see, what we percieve, for me at least felt important. It also was good to achknowledge, that I too see the same thing. WE all do, JUST LOOK, and its all 2D. Shapes on top of shapes, Big to small give rise to 3D, but on the visual landscape it is always 2D. It cannot be really denied. I feel. I dont think its important either, but questioning, exploring our basic assumptions. OUR BASIC BELIEFS, is. my 2.6 cents worth. |
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Post by andreas on May 18, 2011 12:29:40 GMT -5
I actually had a somewhat similar experience. Not to promote drugs in any way, this happened to me under the influence of marijuana.
It was just like that, the whole visual field turned into a painting, Everything that appeared melted into it. I myself, how strange it may seem, was also in the painting - my arms, and what could be seen of the body.
Things that would normally be understood as further away from me, was now above and things closer would be below them - there was no sense of depth at all.
It felt like a really static thing, with no focal point.
Maybe a bit off the topic, but still, while short, an interesting experience
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Post by Peter on Jul 10, 2011 3:59:09 GMT -5
Hi Acewall, welcome to the board. U G Krishnamurti did work for the Theosophical society with Leadbeater (according to Wikipedia anyway) at one point. But it was Jiddu Krishnamurti was was "discovered" and conditioned. I also appreciate UG's writing - do you have a link or reference for his writing on Seeing? |
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Post by topology on Aug 6, 2011 23:40:34 GMT -5
Mamza, Maybe I missed it but can you give a simple clear description of seeing in 2D and 3D without getting too abstract? Thanks Michael The clearest I can get is saying that it was like life turned into a big painting. There were no audible noises around so nothing was distracting me in that regard, and suddenly everything in my field of vision was distinctly visible. So much of my peripheral vision was clear that it was like me, and everything around me, became one big picture. Nothing was moving, and as I mentioned there was no sound going on, so it SEEMED like time stopped for a half-second or so and then everything went back to normal. Like stepping so far back that everything almost seemed like it was just a snapshot from a camera. I'm coming to this discussion late. Mamza, I've experienced exactly what you're referring to. While I was in the midst of my spiritual seeking I did a week at Tom Brown Jr.'s Tracker School. They had us practicing placing our relaxed attention on our entire visual field and then walking slowly forward through a field. While each eye receives a 2D image, the two images from slightly different angles allow Stereopsis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereopsis which gives depth cues on where to place objects. As I was moving slowly and letting the whole scene shift without narrowing my focus to any particular shift, the whole field of view came into resolution with integrated depth. It made the whole visual experience feel more alive. I've got a theory. From birth, we city folks have been trained to focus all our attention in our fovea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fovea where the receptors are densest. When we read, it is our fovea that provides the details sharp enough to make out letters and words. We develop tunnel-vision and our brain creates a feedback loop which keeps our attention just focussed on the content in the fovea and backgrounds the content in the peripheral vision. The peripheral vision triggers a more instinctual and intuitive part of the brain, but the brain has been trained to avoid the stimulation of this circuitry. For myself there was a definite "pop" when I broke the fovea-focus and started integrating my peripheral vision. It was like the cyclic train of thoughts were derailed because there was new input that the mind was not conditioned into handling. Where I experience my thoughts shifted from just below my narrowed focus to being in my throat and then settling into my chest. I gained the ability to relax into my gaze and experience the whole scene at once. From these experiences it was quite clear that there is a great deal of malleability in how we consciously experience sensory input. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception Something is responsible for the organization and arrangement of phenomena within the picture show. This something could also be affected by where we place our attention and what we pay attention to. As we relax our laser-focus, intense fore-grounding of specific sensory data, we begin to experience the background more and then we can even tune our attention into the noise of the perceptual system itself which brings into awareness phenomena like energy/chi/prana, etc. There is also a corresponding shift from focusing on static images to experiencing the "flow" of sensation, the stream of change. As we become more aware of how things flow through time and space and not just what things look like in space, we give our intuitive faculty a new dimension to work off of and it helps to de-throne rigid conceptual thinking. |
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Post by acewall on Aug 7, 2011 1:51:29 GMT -5
The clearest I can get is saying that it was like life turned into a big painting. There were no audible noises around so nothing was distracting me in that regard, and suddenly everything in my field of vision was distinctly visible. So much of my peripheral vision was clear that it was like me, and everything around me, became one big picture. Nothing was moving, and as I mentioned there was no sound going on, so it SEEMED like time stopped for a half-second or so and then everything went back to normal. Like stepping so far back that everything almost seemed like it was just a snapshot from a camera. I'm coming to this discussion late. Mamza, I've experienced exactly what you're referring to. While I was in the midst of my spiritual seeking I did a week at Tom Brown Jr.'s Tracker School. They had us practicing placing our relaxed attention on our entire visual field and then walking slowly forward through a field. While each eye receives a 2D image, the two images from slightly different angles allow Stereopsis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereopsis which gives depth cues on where to place objects. As I was moving slowly and letting the whole scene shift without narrowing my focus to any particular shift, the whole field of view came into resolution with integrated depth. It made the whole visual experience feel more alive. I've got a theory. From birth, we city folks have been trained to focus all our attention in our fovea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fovea where the receptors are densest. When we read, it is our fovea that provides the details sharp enough to make out letters and words. We develop tunnel-vision and our brain creates a feedback loop which keeps our attention just focussed on the content in the fovea and backgrounds the content in the peripheral vision. The peripheral vision triggers a more instinctual and intuitive part of the brain, but the brain has been trained to avoid the stimulation of this circuitry. For myself there was a definite "pop" when I broke the fovea-focus and started integrating my peripheral vision. It was like the cyclic train of thoughts were derailed because there was new input that the mind was not conditioned into handling. Where I experience my thoughts shifted from just below my narrowed focus to being in my throat and then settling into my chest. I gained the ability to relax into my gaze and experience the whole scene at once. From these experiences it was quite clear that there is a great deal of malleability in how we consciously experience sensory input. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception Something is responsible for the organization and arrangement of phenomena within the picture show. This something could also be affected by where we place our attention and what we pay attention to. As we relax our laser-focus, intense fore-grounding of specific sensory data, we begin to experience the background more and then we can even tune our attention into the noise of the perceptual system itself which brings into awareness phenomena like energy/chi/prana, etc. There is also a corresponding shift from focusing on static images to experiencing the "flow" of sensation, the stream of change. As we become more aware of how things flow through time and space and not just what things look like in space, we give our intuitive faculty a new dimension to work off of and it helps to de-throne rigid conceptual thinking. sounds good. I was meditating soon after my Fathers funeral on death and dying, whereby i followed intuitive instruction to show the way and by focussing middle of my forehead but inside my head to where the whitenoisey sound is, and after many times of going deeper into it, became aware of a scent, and then a nector and so on. This took place over a period of several weeks daily meditations. First i was sitting, then later on I went to a scale model of a Cheops pyramid to test a theory about 'quickening' that came to mind, during sitting meditations. There in the pyramid I came to a deeper place where the nector was so beautiful, I couldnt stay away, cept their seemed to be a magnetic pull associated with the source of the nectors scent...and this magnetic pull seemed to be getting harder and harder to return from each time i went into the catatonic state. These meditations revealled to me the dying process, the withdrawing of the sensors and ceasing of breath and loosing bodyconciousness, etc.... Manytimes I came back to the zone, allowing myself more n more juice-experience and then finally, I realised I has stayed too long...and that the drag was increasing in tempo and all of a sudden there was a 'Pop'(as you say) and conciousness was all about the lightless(dark) pyramid i were experiementing within, yet the whole room was lit-up, and i was able to see under the bench where my body lay, looking dead like, deep in trance, maybe dead. Who knows? The zone was safe as soon as the pop occured. Before that I was aware of an anxiety about me, that i was maybe staying too long. As the cresendo increased I felt fear, but it happened so quick the 'pop' popped (me?) outside my heads-focus and into the volume of the room . 'I' had no form at all;simply conciousformlessness.  |
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Post by acewall on Aug 7, 2011 1:53:48 GMT -5
this is different to concious-dreaming,
where one can find a dreaming-body by looking and finding their hands.
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