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Post by ouroboros on May 29, 2022 8:39:30 GMT -5
Okay, thank you for clarifying. Although that raises a few questions, right. Like, what is the difference between (what I presume are) the predetermined aspects of our lives that allow for predicting ola's …. and stamping? What the heck is 'ola'? Gopal says that everyone's life has been predicted and written out a long time ago, transcribed onto palm leaves, and stored somewhere. Apparently you can go there and pay some money, and you give your name and birth date and then someone goes off into the archive and fetches it for you and translates it. Reads it, if you like, because as if I recall correctly, there is an art to the interpretation. They call these 'prophecies' olas. At last that is how I remember Gopal describing the situation, he can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously this all necessiates some measure of predetermination. |
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Post by ouroboros on May 29, 2022 8:41:23 GMT -5
Yes, but how is that different from being stamped? You said you are not stamped. How does stamping related to ola? Predestination and Ola is related. People those who are stamped and people those who are not stamped both life can be predestined. Eh? i don't know, I assumed not. I seems I don't really understand what stamping means. I'm confused. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 8:42:00 GMT -5
Gopal says that everyone's life has been predicted and written out a long time ago, transcribed onto palm leaves, and stored somewhere. Apparently you can go there and pay some money, and you give your name and birth date and then someone goes off into the archive and fetches it for you and translates it. Reads it, if you like, because as if I recall correctly, there is an art to the interpretation. They call these 'prophecies' olas. At last that is how I remember Gopal describing the situation, he can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously this all necessiates some measure of predetermination. You dont need to tell your name and birthdate. They will tell you that. You have to give the Fingerprint of your right thumb if you are a man left thumbs if you are a woman. |
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Post by ouroboros on May 29, 2022 8:43:03 GMT -5
Gopal, can you give a brief explanation of stamping again ...
I remember you talking about how people are 'stamped' to perform certain roles.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 8:45:17 GMT -5
Gopal, can you give a brief explanation of stamping again ... People would be conditioned to act in a certain way to bring out certain reaction in you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 8:48:16 GMT -5
Gopal, can you give a brief explanation of stamping again ... I remember you talking about how people are 'stamped' to perform certain roles. To the second paragraph, yes. But in truth there is nothing stored in their mind which makes them to react in a particular way. Infact Consciousness expresses them as if there are conditioned to act in a certain way |
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Post by ouroboros on May 29, 2022 8:54:04 GMT -5
Gopal, can you give a brief explanation of stamping again ... People would be conditioned to act in a certain way to bring out certain reaction in you. Okay, well I'm starting to see why in your reality that would apply to everyone but you!  I'll have to have a think about this. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 8:55:19 GMT -5
People would be conditioned to act in a certain way to bring out certain reaction in you. Okay, well I'm starting to see why in your reality that would apply to everyone but you! I'll have to have a think about this. Thanks. It actually applies to me as well but only difference is change is possible for me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 9:43:03 GMT -5
I don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow but I'm taking an umbrella with me just in case. That's clarity! You can create rain If you want to  . Just mental work is needed. I'm still waiting for you to manifest the brick of solid gold on my desk, but you selfishly refuse to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 9:45:57 GMT -5
You can create rain If you want to . Just mental work is needed. I'm still waiting for you to manifest the brick of solid gold on my desk, but you selfishly refuse to do so. Sometimes you know the things which seems to be not in our control still in our control. When we watch some kind of pattern, or when we become conscious of unconscious process, it actually becomes our power. |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2022 9:47:11 GMT -5
Gopal says that everyone's life has been predicted and written out a long time ago, transcribed onto palm leaves, and stored somewhere. Apparently you can go there and pay some money, and you give your name and birth date and then someone goes off into the archive and fetches it for you and translates it. Reads it, if you like, because as if I recall correctly, there is an art to the interpretation. They call these 'prophecies' olas. At last that is how I remember Gopal describing the situation, he can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously this all necessiates some measure of predetermination. You dont need to tell your name and birthdate. They will tell you that. You have to give the Fingerprint of your right thumb if you are a man left thumbs if you are a woman. This process would be a mess in the west these days |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 9:50:25 GMT -5
You dont need to tell your name and birthdate. They will tell you that. You have to give the Fingerprint of your right thumb if you are a man left thumbs if you are a woman. This process would be a mess in the west these days I wanted to check once so I went there . He exactly told everything which had happened to me. I was bit amazed. |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2022 9:59:33 GMT -5
This process would be a mess in the west these days I wanted to check once so I went there . He exactly told everything which had happened to me. I was bit amazed. well, I also wanted to ask if you could share any of the insight/predictions, but felt I was being a little intrusive. If you want to share, it would certainly be interesting, but if you don't....no problem. |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2022 11:50:49 GMT -5
This process would be a mess in the west these days I wanted to check once so I went there . He exactly told everything which had happened to me. I was bit amazed. Not clear what happened here, pretty sure you replied and then I replied again, or did I imagine that happened? Or was it moved or deleted Reefs? |
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Post by ouroboros on May 29, 2022 12:00:48 GMT -5
.... I don't really know what 'conditioned' means here. Conditioning usually refers to something learned, like habitual modes of behavior or thinking that we acquire over time via socialization, and that's not set in stone, that can be changed or undone anytime. And if that's what you mean, then I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you here. If by conditioning you should refer to something more static and fundamental, like a specific predisposition or bent of mind or personality type, body type etc. that we have more or less from birth then I think most can agree with you there as well. Even if by conditioning you should mean something like fate, or a mission or a specific purpose in life, depending on how specific you see it, I'd even agree with you here. So what does 'conditioning' mean? I tend to use 'conditioned' quite broadly, so ultimately it would encompass all of the above. Basically, I use it in relation to the manifest as opposed to the unmanifest. The unmanifest being pure undifferentiated Awareness/Source, so ineffable. Whereas the manifest includes; the grossly manifest, i.e. matter, the subtley manifest, i.e. mind, and even the finer mind, i.e kamma :- particularly subtle energetic patterns which transcend lifetimes. All of which can be considered as merely different forms of consciousness. *Although what's difficult here is for me to decide [if, or] where to delineate between Consciousness and consciousness in all this, as I tend to distinguish Consciousness from Awareness in much the same way I would distinguish God from Godhead.* Anyway, for me, 'the conditioned' is synonymous with appearance, that is to say, ultimately empty of inherent and abiding existence. So like a house of cards, yet not nothingness. Essenceless, yet apparent. It also means that ultimately it's also synonymous with God, but not the Godhead ... To give another example of how broadly I use the phrase, I'd say that evolution [by natural selection] is a prime example of 'the conditioned/conditioning' in action. And that some of the other examples you gave, such as " habitual modes of behavior or thinking that we acquire over time via socialization" could be considered as sub-sets of that. Along with social memes, etc, which follow a similar principle. There's also an interplay between individuated and collective aspects of it. In Buddhism they talk about both individuated and collective kamma, which I guess should ultimately be considered as part of the same continuum. Accordingly, "specific predisposition or bent of mind or personality type, body type etc." ... even, "fate, or a mission or a specific purpose in life.", would all follow suit. No doubt 'the conditioned' can be envisaged as essentially deep-rooted patterning. Perhaps literally the order from disorder that makes mundane life even possible, or at least anything intelligible. It's not a problem to use it context specifically either, as you have done. Pavlov's dog, whatever. But I think it's worth considering just how deep any notion of 'conditioned' ultimately runs. Just rambling.  |
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