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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 3:42:38 GMT -5
Because the window named Gopal is finite. Isn't it? I am calling view point as window. There is no window exist in itself. Infinite is witnessing the ongoing appearance so there is no limit. Infinite is witnessing through all windows. I have seen it, just long enough to understand. The window exists, like the keyboard exists, like your wife exists. Like sadness exists when you find out that Lolly didn't marry anyone. These are just some of the limits that Reefs is talking about. You don't constantly live in and as the Unified Field of Perception, that would fry your circuits. You know that it is the primary reality and then you get on with what you personally need to do. Isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 4:54:23 GMT -5
I am calling view point as window. There is no window exist in itself. Infinite is witnessing the ongoing appearance so there is no limit. Infinite is witnessing through all windows. I have seen it, just long enough to understand. The window exists, like the keyboard exists, like your wife exists. Like sadness exists when you find out that Lolly didn't marry anyone. These are just some of the limits that Reefs is talking about. You don't constantly live in and as the Unified Field of Perception, that would fry your circuits. You know that it is the primary reality and then you get on with what you personally need to do. Isn't it? How are you sharon? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 5:27:30 GMT -5
Infinite is witnessing through all windows. I have seen it, just long enough to understand. The window exists, like the keyboard exists, like your wife exists. Like sadness exists when you find out that Lolly didn't marry anyone. These are just some of the limits that Reefs is talking about. You don't constantly live in and as the Unified Field of Perception, that would fry your circuits. You know that it is the primary reality and then you get on with what you personally need to do. Isn't it? How are you sharon? I am very well thank you Gopal. How are you? Congratulations on becoming a husband and a parent. These are very important roles. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 6:03:58 GMT -5
That's the primary reason stamping was done.
Don't you see people are conditioned to behave in a certain way in your life? I am pretty sure you must have seen it but only thing you might not have observed is that that stamping was done purposefully. You create your sphere of experience, consciously or unconsciously, but you are doing it.
You're not wrong! I've noticed that you come back again and again to ST, even though you hate it. The only reasonable explanation seems to be that you must be stamped that way.  This stamping process is another word for limitation. And so, it could be said that those that perceive themselves free of stamping would also perceive themselves as free from limitation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 6:20:46 GMT -5
You're not wrong! I've noticed that you come back again and again to ST, even though you hate it. The only reasonable explanation seems to be that you must be stamped that way. This stamping process is another word for limitation. And so, it could be said that those that perceive themselves free of stamping would also perceive themselves as free from limitation. I am not seeing myself to be stamped. I continue to change whenever I reach clarity, other people those who appears in my life are stamped because they carry my inner essence. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 7:50:18 GMT -5
This stamping process is another word for limitation. And so, it could be said that those that perceive themselves free of stamping would also perceive themselves as free from limitation. I am not seeing myself to be stamped. I continue to change whenever I reach clarity, other people those who appears in my life are stamped because they carry my inner essence. Yeah, that's the great adventure and simultaneously your gift to the world. |
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Post by ouroboros on May 28, 2022 8:09:46 GMT -5
This stamping process is another word for limitation. And so, it could be said that those that perceive themselves free of stamping would also perceive themselves as free from limitation. I am not seeing myself to be stamped. I continue to change whenever I reach clarity, other people those who appears in my life are stamped because they carry my inner essence. If you are not stamped does that mean you have no ola? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 9:15:51 GMT -5
I am not seeing myself to be stamped. I continue to change whenever I reach clarity, other people those who appears in my life are stamped because they carry my inner essence. Yeah, that's the great adventure and simultaneously your gift to the world. Thank you, thank you! |
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Post by Reefs on May 28, 2022 10:10:54 GMT -5
I am not seeing myself to be stamped. I continue to change whenever I reach clarity, other people those who appears in my life are stamped because they carry my inner essence. If you are not stamped does that mean you have no ola? Yeah, he used to be a firm believer in olas and used it to prove that everything is predetermined. Maybe his ola said that he is not stamped? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 10:29:45 GMT -5
What's this logic? I am saying Infinite is looking through the first window which I would like to name it as Gopal, that aspect or view point I would like to name it as Gopal. How come it suddently has the limits since I name it as Gopal? Infinite remains Infinite!
Because Perpetual movement is isolated. Are they not? Otherwise in your perception my perception will be crossing over. You still did not tell me what's your definition of one consciousness.
The logic is very simple. You said that you (as the Infinite looking thru the window called Gopal) cannot know if there are other perceivers. That's putting limits on what can be known by the Infinite looking thru the window called Gopal. And if there are limits to what can be know for the Infinite looking thru the window called Gopal, then it is not the Infinite looking with the eyes of the Infinite but the Infinite looking thru the window called Gopal with the eyes of Gopal. Looking with the eyes of the Infinite means recognizing everything you see as the Infinite as well. Which means there are no others and the question if there are other perceivers doesn't even occur. Looking thru the eyes of Goapl means seeing other people that you cannot know anything about other than that they appear to you. Big difference! And you can't have it both ways. You either see others as separate from you and then are in doubt about their true nature or you see everything as one and then there are no others and the question about the nature of others has no basis to begin with. But the way you argue, you keep conflating both perspectives. You want to tell me that everything is one and at the same time you also want to tell me about other people and how you cannot know anything about their nature. That's logically inconsistent. Which means you haven't really thought this thru. Now, if you would say that your perspective is limited and therefore that's how the world looks to you, i.e. that there are others that you cannot know anything about another than that they appear to you, then you would be arguing consistently and perfectly logically. But if you keep insisting that you are the Infinite looking as the Infinite and then see others appearing that you cannot know anything about other than that they appear to you, then you argue inconsistently and illogically. So which is it? You have to choose one or the other. You can't have it both ways. You either are looking with the eyes of the Infinite and recognize everything as the Infinite, or you are looking with the eyes of Gopal and don't recognize what you are looking at. Unity consciousness. That's why the moment I realize my true nature, I also realize your true nature. There is only what you are. There are no others. A valiant effort. Makes sense to me. |
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Post by tenka on May 28, 2022 13:41:05 GMT -5
What's this logic? I am saying Infinite is looking through the first window which I would like to name it as Gopal, that aspect or view point I would like to name it as Gopal. How come it suddently has the limits since I name it as Gopal? Infinite remains Infinite!
Because Perpetual movement is isolated. Are they not? Otherwise in your perception my perception will be crossing over. You still did not tell me what's your definition of one consciousness.
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Post by tenka on May 28, 2022 14:32:58 GMT -5
What's this logic? I am saying Infinite is looking through the first window which I would like to name it as Gopal, that aspect or view point I would like to name it as Gopal. How come it suddently has the limits since I name it as Gopal? Infinite remains Infinite!
Because Perpetual movement is isolated. Are they not? Otherwise in your perception my perception will be crossing over. You still did not tell me what's your definition of one consciousness.
Unity consciousness. That's why the moment I realize my true nature, I also realize your true nature. There is only what you are. There are no others. I think the issue has always been that peeps think that individuals reflect there being other's that are not in essence the same as what you are fundamentally and are in someway separate . That is why this blinking SVP has been dragged around the bushes for eternity when there has been no need for it whatsoever. There are many individuals, there are billions of individuals, that is self evident and true enough to say, but one has to Self realise in order to know what a individual represents and constitutes in the grand scheme of things . |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 4:17:44 GMT -5
It's like when the credits roll at the end of the movie and it says, cast in order of appearance. You shed a tear when the hero died even though you knew it wasn't a "real" person. Feelings of sympathy arise when you hear about kids and parents you didn't know in a school shooting in Texas, a place you've never visited. And then when it comes to real people you really do know, even they just drift in and out of our experience from time to time. We are affected and then we forget what we felt about them until the next encounter and then we are reminded. It starts all over again, it changes, it's transformed, relationships change, they become diminished or they are renewed, so in that sense all of these movie characters and real people they're equally the same, they're just experiences forever changing and in that sense there are no others. But there are others. To say there are no others is more of a realization about oneself and how the world is experienced like a bee flitting from flower to flower.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 6:32:00 GMT -5
It's like when the credits roll at the end of the movie and it says, cast in order of appearance. You shed a tear when the hero died even though you knew it wasn't a "real" person. Feelings of sympathy arise when you hear about kids and parents you didn't know in a school shooting in Texas, a place you've never visited. And then when it comes to real people you really do know, even they just drift in and out of our experience from time to time. We are affected and then we forget what we felt about them until the next encounter and then we are reminded. It starts all over again, it changes, it's transformed, relationships change, they become diminished or they are renewed, so in that sense all of these movie characters and real people they're equally the same, they're just experiences forever changing and in that sense there are no others. But there are others. To say there are no others is more of a realization about oneself and how the world is experienced like a bee flitting from flower to flower. If One reaches to clarity that outer world is being experienced in consciousness that automatically brings another question about "others" , The question then would be whether there are others who appears to be perceiving like me. The obvious answer would then be it can never be known because the creation stems from the impersonal automatically and it doesn't have the control over what it creates and creation of the world arises from impersonal and it starts to wonder where the hell is it coming from. Once it starts to becomes conscious of its creation, It would come to know certain things and this knowing blocks the impersonal to create certain nonsense. More clarity it reaches the more beautiful it's creation will be. Something is coming from nothing and the another thought coming from the same nothing and it starts to wonder where does this something comes from and the searching starts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 6:55:12 GMT -5
It's like when the credits roll at the end of the movie and it says, cast in order of appearance. You shed a tear when the hero died even though you knew it wasn't a "real" person. Feelings of sympathy arise when you hear about kids and parents you didn't know in a school shooting in Texas, a place you've never visited. And then when it comes to real people you really do know, even they just drift in and out of our experience from time to time. We are affected and then we forget what we felt about them until the next encounter and then we are reminded. It starts all over again, it changes, it's transformed, relationships change, they become diminished or they are renewed, so in that sense all of these movie characters and real people they're equally the same, they're just experiences forever changing and in that sense there are no others. But there are others. To say there are no others is more of a realization about oneself and how the world is experienced like a bee flitting from flower to flower. If One reaches to clarity that outer world is being experienced in consciousness that automatically brings another question about "others" , The question then would be whether there are others who appears to be perceiving like me. The obvious answer would then be it can never be known because the creation stems from the impersonal automatically and it doesn't have the control over what it creates and creation of the world arises from impersonal and it starts to wonder where the hell is it coming from. Once it starts to becomes conscious of its creation, It would come to know certain things and this knowing blocks the impersonal to create certain nonsense. More clarity it reaches the more beautiful it's creation will be. Something is coming from nothing and the another thought coming from the same nothing and it starts to wonder where does this something comes from and the searching starts. I don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow but I'm taking an umbrella with me just in case. That's clarity! |
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