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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 10:53:57 GMT -5
sree still doesn't understand, we don't get a vote, this isn't a democracy. When I wrote my message, I internally checked to see if I 'agree' with Reefs being moderator. I found that I do. It's an unpaid job, it takes time and energy, and it's not always easy I guess. I appreciate the fact that Reefs wants to do it, and overall I appreciate that the forum is calmer now than many years ago. I assume that enough people were unhappy with Reefs moderating, then he would quite happily step down, so there is some level of democracy in that regard. I'm not sure that this ban was a good idea, but there may be more to the story than I know of, and I have no inclination to go to war about it. Farmer is on gab now, so if any of us want to find him, we can go there. Farmer was on gab 6 hours ago but has since deleted his account.
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Post by andrew on Aug 29, 2022 11:25:22 GMT -5
You clearly haven't been paying attention to him in the last 3 weeks. He has talked about not sleeping, eating. We don't know if he is ill, or if he is going through a powerful spiritual/life change. Or maybe both. I don't think he has been 'spamming' the forum as such. I agree. Granted he has been venting a lot. He seems to have a lot of issues but why should expressing that be curtailed in a spiritual forum? yeah.
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Post by andrew on Aug 29, 2022 11:28:27 GMT -5
When I wrote my message, I internally checked to see if I 'agree' with Reefs being moderator. I found that I do. It's an unpaid job, it takes time and energy, and it's not always easy I guess. I appreciate the fact that Reefs wants to do it, and overall I appreciate that the forum is calmer now than many years ago. I assume that enough people were unhappy with Reefs moderating, then he would quite happily step down, so there is some level of democracy in that regard. I'm not sure that this ban was a good idea, but there may be more to the story than I know of, and I have no inclination to go to war about it. Farmer is on gab now, so if any of us want to find him, we can go there. Farmer was on gab 6 hours ago but has since deleted his account. Hmm. Reefs, as a suggestion, could you allow Farmer access to private messaging? So at at least he can talk to folks here if he wants to? i.e rescind the ban and trust him to stick to pm's for a month. He respects you, and I reckon you could trust him.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 29, 2022 11:38:42 GMT -5
All,
I asked Farmer to stop spamming the forum with these random, disconnected messages and instead use the PM thread that I specifically created for him when I moved conversation to PM last week. He did stop immediately. I thought he got the message. But he was back at it again this morning.
Sree, moderation is done mainly behind the scenes. Your case was a rare exception because what I had to tell you also affected some other members (the no politics thingy). So if someone gets banned here and you didn't see me indicate that anywhere, it's fair to assume that I've already talked to them in private and that they just couldn't keep their act together.
I hope that clarifies.
R
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Post by andrew on Aug 29, 2022 11:42:02 GMT -5
All, I asked Farmer to stop spamming the forum with these random, disconnected messages and instead use the PM thread that I specifically created for him when I moved conversation to PM last week. He did stop immediately. I thought he got the message. But he was back at it again this morning. Sree, moderation is done mainly behind the scenes. Your case was a rare exception because what I had to tell you also affected some other members (the no politics thingy). So if someone gets banned here and you didn't see me indicate that anywhere, it's fair to assume that I've already talked to them in private and that they just couldn't keep their act together. I hope that clarifies. R Are you sure he was totally clear that you don't want him using the public forum, and that he should stick to pm's? Did you tell him how long he should stick to pm's? Some folks (including me) need that clarity/specificity. F has been in an unusual state, and may not have been clear.
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Post by sree on Aug 29, 2022 12:12:59 GMT -5
Not sure about that. Looks like neither Tenka nor myself would have agreed with it, for a start. Reefs may have talked with Farmer, given warnings. Farmer has respected Reefs for a long time, so maybe they have spoken. I don't know the full story. It's a month ban, not lifetime. sree still doesn't understand, we don't get a vote, this isn't a democracy. I understand it but that doesn't mean I like it. I must have been Achilles in a former life.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 29, 2022 12:26:46 GMT -5
sree still doesn't understand, we don't get a vote, this isn't a democracy. I understand it but that doesn't mean I like it. I must have been Achilles in a former life.
I love that film, it's a great film, a great love story, more than one. Even now, I could not not-watch your excerpt. That Homer guy could write. If you are Achilles, then I am Odysseus.
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Post by sree on Aug 29, 2022 12:46:01 GMT -5
That was my bait. I bet it triggered satch, as it has triggered you. In spiritual discourse, my object is not to seek light in the darkness, or find the path to the promised land. I hunt the boatman, the vampire lurking within. Whatever the response, the blood-sucker can be detected. Not the one in you, but the one in me. Same thing. The key to the Chang Tzu allegory is that the boat is actually empty. You are quite right. The boat is your body. The boatman is you. Even though the body is "empty", you, namely the boatman, can be seen in the mirror. Empty boats squabbling in the river. Human bodies killing each other in the world. Can you grasp this? Do you get the perfume? as Krishnamurti would ask.
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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2022 12:58:57 GMT -5
The key to the Chang Tzu allegory is that the boat is actually empty. You are quite right. The boat is your body. The boatman is you. Even though the body is "empty", you, namely the boatman, can be seen in the mirror. Empty boats squabbling in the river. Human bodies killing each other in the world. Can you grasp this? Do you get the perfume? as Krishnamurti would ask. (** facepalm **)
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Post by sree on Aug 29, 2022 14:00:07 GMT -5
You are quite right. The boat is your body. The boatman is you. Even though the body is "empty", you, namely the boatman, can be seen in the mirror. Empty boats squabbling in the river. Human bodies killing each other in the world. Can you grasp this? Do you get the perfume? as Krishnamurti would ask. (** facepalm **)Did you get the perfume? Well, let's find out if you are getting the same fragrance.
Chuangtze's boat was made of wood. The boatman wasn't. Clear distinction between the two here.
What is your body made of? This is the crucial aspect of the story that the western mind will find challenging.
Give me your best take, Laffy.
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Post by tenka on Aug 29, 2022 14:18:04 GMT -5
Ok, you were just offering your comment. Your opinion on Farmer is understandable. Also, I surmise that Reefs' action to kick Farmer out for a month would have majority support. Seems to me, Farmer was unceremoniously and summarily thrown out to cool off like a drunk from a bar by the owner. As you know, I was shown the door but not kicked out. Even though I did not accept Reefs' definition of politics, I wasn't going to argue. It's his joint to run, he is the owner and the drinks are free. I decided to stay a while. Farmer was not given the same deal. Why weren't things explained to him also? This forum is not my first rodeo. My opinion, based on my observations, is that folks who gravitate to spiritual forums are delicate souls, 'weirdos' who understand spiritual speak incomprehensible to normal people. Farmer is obviously also having issues relating in the normal world. Like you, he has also found a safe place here. You obviously know how rough the real world is. Farmer is now out there. stardust must know what that feels like. Would Farmer hurt himself? WE are supposed to be empaths, right? I am not one. satch is. Why isn't he crying over our heartless treatment of Farmer?
Not sure about that. Looks like neither Tenka nor myself would have agreed with it, for a start. Reefs may have talked with Farmer, given warnings. Farmer has respected Reefs for a long time, so maybe they have spoken. I don't know the full story. It's a month ban, not lifetime. It's obvious to anyone isn't it that Farmer is not himself at present . Why kick someone while they are down regardless of what the fcukin forum rules are . Sometimes we need to look beyond them in reflection of what is going on with a peep . Farmers come out of his shell for whatever reason and there is a lot of emotional expression coming out . I haven't known him to be this way before . Hope your okay farmer if your reading ..
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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2022 14:35:57 GMT -5
Did you get the perfume? Well, let's find out if you are getting the same fragrance. Chuangtze's boat was made of wood. The boatman wasn't. Clear distinction between the two here.
What is your body made of? This is the crucial aspect of the story that the western mind will find challenging. Give me your best take, Laffy.
That "your body is made of .. whatever" is an idea, a contrivance of mind. In terms of your interest in the Chang Tzu allegory, it is a completely inconsequential one, at that. If you do insist on thinking about individual bodies, consider that no individual body actually ends at the boundary that sustains life. If you look at a tree, it's possible to discern that where the Earth ends and the tree begins is quite arbitrary, especially if you've ever done any digging in the dirt. The roots of plants trail off into these wisps that are essentially indistinguishable from what they are networking into. But again, for emphasis to all of the argumentative-minded who might be reading: this is only if you insist on thinking of the idea of individuated bodies. People deceive themselves that they're less tied to the Earth, and thereby less of an extension of it because they're free to walk around on it. But move their body away from a very narrow range around the surface of that Earth, and it doesn't last very long, now, does it?
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Post by sree on Aug 29, 2022 15:41:58 GMT -5
Did you get the perfume? Well, let's find out if you are getting the same fragrance. Chuangtze's boat was made of wood. The boatman wasn't. Clear distinction between the two here.
What is your body made of? This is the crucial aspect of the story that the western mind will find challenging. Give me your best take, Laffy.
That "your body is made of .. whatever" is an idea, a contrivance of mind. In terms of your interest in the Chang Tzu allegory, it is a completely inconsequential one, at that. If you do insist on thinking about individual bodies, consider that no individual body actually ends at the boundary that sustains life. If you look at a tree, it's possible to discern that where the Earth ends and the tree begins is quite arbitrary, especially if you've ever done any digging in the dirt. The roots of plants trail off into these wisps that are essentially indistinguishable from what they are networking into. But again, for emphasis to all of the argumentative-minded who might be reading: this is only if you insist on thinking of the idea of individuated bodies. People deceive themselves that they're less tied to the Earth, and thereby less of an extension of it because they're free to walk around on it. But move their body away from a very narrow range around the surface of that Earth, and it doesn't last very long, now, does it? You are waffling, Laffy. You need to show me more respect. I know you can't walk on water. Your spiritual realm is pretty much tied to science. And that is as far as the western mind can go within the Block Universe. Even this ass in the video below is waffling inside the Block Universe. Pathetic.
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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2022 16:58:12 GMT -5
That "your body is made of .. whatever" is an idea, a contrivance of mind. In terms of your interest in the Chang Tzu allegory, it is a completely inconsequential one, at that. If you do insist on thinking about individual bodies, consider that no individual body actually ends at the boundary that sustains life. If you look at a tree, it's possible to discern that where the Earth ends and the tree begins is quite arbitrary, especially if you've ever done any digging in the dirt. The roots of plants trail off into these wisps that are essentially indistinguishable from what they are networking into. But again, for emphasis to all of the argumentative-minded who might be reading: this is only if you insist on thinking of the idea of individuated bodies. People deceive themselves that they're less tied to the Earth, and thereby less of an extension of it because they're free to walk around on it. But move their body away from a very narrow range around the surface of that Earth, and it doesn't last very long, now, does it? You are waffling, sure, should have stopped after the second sentence, no doubt. Laffy. You need to show me more respect. I know you can't walk on water. Your spiritual realm is pretty much tied to science. And that is as far as the western mind can go within the Block Universe. Even this ass in the video below is waffling inside the Block Universe. Pathetic. But, wow, it seems as if you're replying to something entirely different from what I've written. How on Earth do you conclude that from what I wrote, and what does the "Block Universe" have to do with any of this?
Science is the product of rational thinking. I repeat: your question about "what bodies are made of?" is irrelevant to the Chang Tzu allegory. It is an abstract thought. Philosophy. What I wrote about boundaries was an alternative, but only if you insist on persisting in the thinking along those lines.
The best the pursuit of science can do is get you to the point where you understand that science can never answer existential questions. Stop inferring any sort of scientific tie to what I'm writing unless I'm clearly just indulging in writing about science.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 21:51:22 GMT -5
You clearly haven't been paying attention to him in the last 3 weeks. He has talked about not sleeping, eating. We don't know if he is ill, or if he is going through a powerful spiritual/life change. Or maybe both. I don't think he has been 'spamming' the forum as such. I agree. Granted he has been venting a lot. He seems to have a lot of issues but why should expressing that be curtailed in a spiritual forum? Yes, That's the question.
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