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Post by lobo on Jun 4, 2010 20:32:58 GMT -5
So dude,
are you promoting your site, or the Norquist book or both?
Why don't you tell us something about your purpose with the site and something about your background.
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Post by karen on Jun 4, 2010 22:22:46 GMT -5
I found the video review quite relevant to this thread.
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Post by ravenscroft on Jun 5, 2010 9:25:21 GMT -5
So dude, are you promoting your site, or the Norquist book or both? Why don't you tell us something about your purpose with the site and something about your background. Sure thing Burt My friend Scott and I started Enlightenment Dudes at the begining of this year. Mostly we like doing these reviews and talking about them with people We have nothing in it with Norquist, we just happen to like the book (along with a good number of others) seemed like an appropriate thread to put it up why you seem so hostel?  |
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Post by lobo on Jun 6, 2010 23:40:48 GMT -5
So dude, are you promoting your site, or the Norquist book or both? Why don't you tell us something about your purpose with the site and something about your background. Sure thing Burt My friend Scott and I started Enlightenment Dudes at the begining of this year. Mostly we like doing these reviews and talking about them with people We have nothing in it with Norquist, we just happen to like the book (along with a good number of others) seemed like an appropriate thread to put it up why you seem so hostel? Ravenscroft, no I'm not hostile about it dude, but I have asked you some direct questions about what you are up to. It does still sound like promotion to me and when I hear that in the context of "spiritual" matters I do want to question it. But you have answered and that is good. I will post some comments about your reviews in the thread in the Marketing section. But don't take it personally please if I disagree with some of your reviews or methods. When one gets into the business of publically reviewing and rating books and the like, well, differences in opinion will happen and some people will want to know something about the background of the person who is providing the opinion. In my opinion (LOL) as long as the motives are clear it is all good. cheers  |
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Post by frankshank on Jun 7, 2010 3:25:19 GMT -5
Burt: When I read Ravenscroft's posts I thought he was a friendly, enthusiastic guy wanting to make friends and let people know about his great new site. When you read his posts you smelt a rat. Can either of us trust our perceptions? This apparent I (LOL) thinks not! Ravenscroft: Welcome to the forum by the way! |
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Post by karen on Jun 7, 2010 15:20:54 GMT -5
Burt: you asked about the background of the reviewer, but I'd like to know why that would matter.
In what way could that possibly matter?
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Post by ravenscroft on Jun 8, 2010 6:50:12 GMT -5
Sure thing Burt My friend Scott and I started Enlightenment Dudes at the begining of this year. Mostly we like doing these reviews and talking about them with people We have nothing in it with Norquist, we just happen to like the book (along with a good number of others) seemed like an appropriate thread to put it up why you seem so hostel? Ravenscroft, no I'm not hostile about it dude, but I have asked you some direct questions about what you are up to. It does still sound like promotion to me and when I hear that in the context of "spiritual" matters I do want to question it. But you have answered and that is good. I will post some comments about your reviews in the thread in the Marketing section. But don't take it personally please if I disagree with some of your reviews or methods. When one gets into the business of publically reviewing and rating books and the like, well, differences in opinion will happen and some people will want to know something about the background of the person who is providing the opinion. In my opinion (LOL) as long as the motives are clear it is all good. cheers First off thank you Frank, Karen. and Burt for your positive words Burt I appreciate your thoughts on this and I have answered back in the marketing section post about enlightenmentdudes.comso as not to take away from anyone who wanted to talk about Norquist |
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Post by lobo on Jun 8, 2010 16:55:28 GMT -5
frankshank, yes I would agree about perceptions. They are so filtered by beliefs and expectations.That is why I asked some questions, but came across a little rough it seems. My bad. That is the thing about email. No tone of voice or email. Just these thingies Karen: Hi When I am reading an opinion, like a review or evaluation of something, the point of view of the writer is relevant. Also the persons background because it is a contributing factor. If I say something is good and rate it a 10 out of 10, is it because I personally liked it? because I thought it is valuable for others? because I would like to see more material like it and want to encourage that? because I want to discuss it with outhers? And how qualified am I to rate it? Have I been studying or involved in the area for a few years? and has my background been broad or narowly focused? I don't think these things are that important in general. But when it comes to rating and judging some material publically, I would want to know some of this. Ravenscroft, I see where you are coming from and feel like I should apologize. Sorry I wanted to know where you are coming from and your intent with the reviews. I am a little sensitive to seeing spiritual teachings or teachers being promoted. I would like to discuss some of the other material you reviewed with you. gotta go now though..... peace |
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Post by karen on Jun 8, 2010 17:39:31 GMT -5
Karen: Hi When I am reading an opinion, like a review or evaluation of something, the point of view of the writer is relevant. Also the persons background because it is a contributing factor. If I say something is good and rate it a 10 out of 10, is it because I personally liked it? because I thought it is valuable for others? because I would like to see more material like it and want to encourage that? because I want to discuss it with outhers? And how qualified am I to rate it? Have I been studying or involved in the area for a few years? and has my background been broad or narowly focused? I don't think these things are that important in general. But when it comes to rating and judging some material publically, I would want to know some of this. Hi Burt, from my perspective I am the only one qualified to judge spiritual teachers because I am the only one here. When I say I am the only one here, I do not mean some "fancy spiritual" concept, but rather that I am the only one in my subjective experience - which regarding this stuff is all that matters. I really had to discard the idea that anyone else is more qualified than I. Because even if they are more qualified, I have no way to access that qualification except through my subjective understanding. The only thing others can do is point. If I have poor discernment, I will not know who is pointing to truth or the murky depths. Discernment, IMO, comes form looking within. Not reading many books or getting a credential somewhere. In that way I meant that it really doesn't matter about others' qualifications. |
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Post by lobo on Jun 8, 2010 23:18:50 GMT -5
Hi Karen, I like the way you put that, and I agree when looked at from that perspective. But be careful about being myopic. But publicly reviewing a published work and then starting a thread about it is a different situation. Personally, I was concerned about the motivation of the reviewer, which is fair game when you go public with a review like that. But, I think some of what Norquist writes is dangerous to less experienced seekers. So I could say nothing.....or....do as I did Just ask the questions. Can't hurt to ask and see what comes out. That's what I say LOL Anyone presenting themselves as a spiritual teacher requires the greatest scrutiny IMO. Actually, after I wrote that I remember a situation I had in trying to understand what a particular teacher was saying. I didn't understand what he was saying and it made no sense to me. So I suspended judgment but read some published work from some of his students over the years. Then, from their work I was finally able to understand what the teacher was saying. They would refer to his work in their own writing. This is an example of having other persons input valuable in evaluating what someone is saying. |
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Post by karen on Jun 9, 2010 11:19:59 GMT -5
Hi Karen, I like the way you put that, and I agree when looked at from that perspective. But be careful about being myopic. Hi Burt, I'm curious about this warning of yours. Could you expend on it? Are you referring to "I am the only one in my subjective experience" as the possible myopic POV? If so, where is the danger that I must be careful? |
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Post by lobo on Jun 9, 2010 14:38:52 GMT -5
Hi Karen, I like the way you put that, and I agree when looked at from that perspective. But be careful about being myopic. Hi Burt, I'm curious about this warning of yours. Could you expend on it? Are you referring to "I am the only one in my subjective experience" as the possible myopic POV? If so, where is the danger that I must be careful? This is not a warning, it is more of a figure of speech. Being myopic, or seeing things from a very narrow point of view only, can obscure the truth, or the big picture-another figure of speech there. There is no danger implied. Karen, I do not mind continuing this discussion with you but I would ask that it is not in this thread, since we are now far from the Norquist book. |
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Post by sherry on Jun 10, 2010 13:10:27 GMT -5
I have ordered, received and read (twice at thirty minutes per read) the book by Steven Norquist....... I am glad I read it to satisfy my curiosity after the strong recommendation from the Enlightenment Dudes. It truly wouldn't come up to me as a title to recommend to a friend looking for something on nonduality ALTHOUGH I greatly enjoyed Steven Norquist's online essay...... I know that different combinations of words appeal differently to apparently different individuals.....that's the 'take' from here.
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Post by ravenscroft on Jun 15, 2010 13:31:24 GMT -5
I have ordered, received and read (twice at thirty minutes per read) the book by Steven Norquist....... I am glad I read it to satisfy my curiosity after the strong recommendation from the Enlightenment Dudes. It truly wouldn't come up to me as a title to recommend to a friend looking for something on nonduality ALTHOUGH I greatly enjoyed Steven Norquist's online essay...... I know that different combinations of words appeal differently to apparently different individuals.....that's the 'take' from here. first of all thank you so much for the feedback Sherry! yeah, the book is not for everyone and a fast read for sure I think it took me about an hour to finish - but oddly hung with me for weeks after the only other new book we give the full 10 rating on our site is "Book of Not Knowing" by Peter Ralston and that is 600+ pages long, so no telling what will strike our fancy I guess ..ha ha thanks Jim |
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Post by synapticrythms on Jun 15, 2010 23:46:32 GMT -5
I have noticed as well that something will hit me like a runaway train that, to others, may seem stupid, hostile, or simply ineffective. In a subjective experience, and there is nothing more subjective than trying to untangle our own individual knots, the pointers to reality come from seemingly surprising sources most of the time. What speaks to me, speaks to me. What furthers this journey for me, furthers it for me. Everything else is beside the point.
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