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Post by amit on Nov 2, 2020 13:21:50 GMT -5
"So it seems like this firm belief may also apply to nonduality, that one is already what is sought, as a solution that ends the search." So a belief is the solution? This is what you are saying in this sentence. Yes, if the seeker has trust (interchangable with faith, or firm belief) that one is already what is sought. Other seekers are not attracted by that and prefer practise to experience All is One which is claimed to embody that experience.
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Post by roydop on Nov 2, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
A belief is never a solution. Believing one is already what is sought is not the realization of such.
True spiritual practice is not a method of producing relative existence, it is the way in which consciousness remains in/as Self.
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Post by amit on Nov 2, 2020 13:49:32 GMT -5
A belief is never a solution. Believing one is already what is sought is not the realization of such. True spiritual practice is not a method of producing relative existence, it is the way in which consciousness remains in/as Self. [/qurote]
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Post by amit on Nov 2, 2020 13:55:32 GMT -5
A belief is never a solution. Believing one is already what is sought is not the realization of such. True spiritual practice is not a method of producing relative existence, it is the way in which consciousness remains in/as Self. Seekers vary. What is not a solution for one, may be a solution for another. It is a question of respect for difference, rather than a totalitarian approach of requiring one solution for all. The latter is unfortunatly what you seem to prefer. Totalitarianism has historically not served humanity well.
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Post by roydop on Nov 2, 2020 19:05:49 GMT -5
A belief is never a solution. Believing one is already what is sought is not the realization of such. True spiritual practice is not a method of producing relative existence, it is the way in which consciousness remains in/as Self. Seekers vary. What is not a solution for one, may be a solution for another. It is a question of respect for difference, rather than a totalitarian approach of requiring one solution for all. The latter is unfortunatly what you seem to prefer. Totalitarianism has historically not served humanity well. The final step is the same for everyone. There are only people who are ready and people who are not.
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Post by amit on Nov 2, 2020 19:22:27 GMT -5
Seekers vary. What is not a solution for one, may be a solution for another. It is a question of respect for difference, rather than a totalitarian approach of requiring one solution for all. The latter is unfortunatly what you seem to prefer. Totalitarianism has historically not served humanity well. The final step is the same for everyone. There are only people who are ready and people who are not. Yes for you it is totalitarian, one size has to fit all.
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Post by laughter on Nov 3, 2020 4:55:10 GMT -5
The final step is the same for everyone. There are only people who are ready and people who are not. Yes for you it is totalitarian, one size has to fit all. I instead interpret it as a koan-like tautology rather than an edict.
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Post by amit on Nov 3, 2020 14:06:50 GMT -5
Yes for you it is totalitarian, one size has to fit all. I instead interpret it as a koan-like tautology rather than an edict. Thats positive, I hope it is so. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
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Post by laughter on Nov 5, 2020 6:02:43 GMT -5
I instead interpret it as a koan-like tautology rather than an edict. Thats positive, I hope it is so. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. We're always free to take or leave a guru for what they are. Some vulnerable people don't feel they can do this, for whatever reason, in some circumstances. As a practical matter, we can revile the totalitarian and offer compassion to them, but for me this is all theoretical, as I've never seen a totalitarian in the wild or gained the interest of people needing this kind of compassion.
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Post by amit on Nov 5, 2020 6:18:11 GMT -5
Thats positive, I hope it is so. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. We're always free to take or leave a guru for what they are. Some vulnerable people don't feel they can do this, for whatever reason, in some circumstances. As a practical matter, we can revile the totalitarian and offer compassion to them, but for me this is all theoretical, as I've never seen a totalitarian in the wild or gained the interest of people needing this kind of compassion. The seeds of it start small and can be seen by any devaluing of individual differences in many fields of life, including spiritual circles. If the seeds are allowed to grow because of a lack of opposition, we know from history where it can end up. Oneness has manifested as genocide, and the opposition to it. Very challenging for nonduality and a reason why it is often rejected.
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