Post by bluey on Aug 9, 2019 18:49:31 GMT -5
It's a good pointer Satch said experiences come and go. Find out what doesn't.
Many sages had experiences but their teachers would always point at what doesn't come and go.
As it's beyond the reptilian brain you are pointing at. The survival mode.
Most leaders in history have most likely been psychopaths lacked empathy been identified with this part of the brain.
I find some, not all of Ickes readership haven't grasped what he's pointing at. If you look he was a journalist, politician but his experience in Peru allowed for him to see a better, wider perspective of the old parts he had been in. If you look in his interviews on news channels you can see how they are repeaters against where he's investigated the issue at hand and listening to one of his interviews recently with London Real he says he puts it out there and it's up to people to see if it rings true or not.
And if you look most people just repeat these days from the daily news or from spiritual texts.
If you look at Angkor Wat just as an example it's based on the rig Veda even with a scene from the Mahabharata. In there you will find a scene about 45 metres in length the churning of the milky ocean. With 88 asuras and 92 devas
The forces of evolution seem to be one step ahead of the forces of entropy
Each identified with a specific role with the mass of people having all these parts within themselves in the imagined story of a separate me. Take Aleister Crowley he toured India practiced raja yoga, was very much into meditation but a point came he gave up joined the asuras and wanted to experience everything but meditation. Went from one side of the room to the other.
Why Rumi talks of the need of a guide as you may stop off.
As Aleister wrote
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
"War is like a wave; some it rolls over, some it drowns, some it beats to pieces on the shingle; but some it shoots far up the shore on to glistening golden sand out of the reach of any further freaks of fortune."
"I've often thought that there isn't any 'I' at all; that we are simply the means of expression of something else; that when we think of ourselves, we are simply the victims of a delusion."
"I loathe law. It seems to me as if it were merely an elaborate series of obstacles to doing things sensibly."
"Ever man is eternally alone. But when you get mixed up with a fairly decent crowd, you forget that appalling fact for long enough to give your brain time to recover from the acute symptoms of its disease - that of thinking."
"Having to talk destroys the symphony of silence. It's hateful to be interrupted."
"Lofty morality is the last refuge when one feels onself to be hopelessly in the wrong."
"The most delicious sensation of all is the re-birth of healthy human love. Spring coming back to Earth!"
"Everyone interprets everything in terms of his own experience. If you say anything which does not touch a precisely similar spot in another man's brain, he either misunderstand you, or doesn't understand you at all."
". . . only by climbing painfully to a spot beyond human intervention, could one obtain a stable point of view from which to regard the Universe in due proportion."
"There is nothing in nature which cannot be used for our benefit, and it is up to us to use it wisely."
"People think that talking is a sign of thinking. It isn't, for the most part' on the contrary, it's a mechanical dodge of the body to relieve oneself of the strain of thinking, just as exercising the muscles helps the body to become temporarily unconscious of its weight, its pain, its weariness, and the foreknowledge of its doom."
"The universe is the looking-glass of the soul."
"Experience is the only teacher."
"As long as you have animal passions, you are an animal. How disgusting it is to think of eating and loving and all those appetites, like cattle! Breathing itself would be beastly if one knew one were doing it. How intolerable life would be to people of even mediocre refinement if they were always acutely conscious of the process of digestion."
"Our souls have invented our minds . . . with the object of registering conscious experiences, and therefore the more deeply an experience is felt the better our minds are carrying out the intention of our souls."
"The most deeply seated instinct in us is our craving for experience."
"The true test of the perversity of a pleasure is that it occupies a disproportionate amount of the attention."
"Sanity consists in the proper equilibrium of ideas in general. That is the only sense in which it is true that genius is connected with insanity."
"Man has a right to spiritual ambition. He has evolved to what he is, through making dangerous experiments."
"We learn more from our failures than from our successes."
"Love is the law, love under will."
The new law of the barbarians ( the barbarians were the Europeans of old)
After five years of folly and weakness, miscalled politeness, tact, discretion, care for the feeling of others, I am weary of it. I say today: the hell with Christianity, Rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring you a positive and primaeval fact, Magick by name; and with this I will build me a new Heaven and a new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good, but strong.
You will have the archetypal levels within as they serve and can be destructive too. Many of the Vikings called on feminine deities like the Valkyrie. Angels of death. The barbarian tribes of ancient Europe would embrace a certain archetype in the coming of passage of time for young men to transcend into manhood . The indigenous tribes would send their children out to find their nature animal for where they were at.
It all serves in the story.
But what was said to the rose that made it open. By Rumi is beyond all of this.
India like China and parts of Japan experimented more with the inner world.
Yes in the past India they may have been more receptive, why they were invaded so many times,if you look it called itself the motherland. To go within you have to become more feminine receptive.
With countries that have called themselves the fatherland they have been more aggressive like Germany.
Interestingly today mein Kampf is a best seller in India. You can even find a restaurant dedicated to Hitler in India with a following calling him a great leader.
So with Oshos book being very popular in India which are now placed next to Gandhis works his emphasis on zorba the Buddha. As Osho was a Tantric master the play of Being in That as well as enjoying the world. Just as a flower 🌺 has its roots in the dirt. Will be the future play.
It sees no separation. Just what is.
Many sages had experiences but their teachers would always point at what doesn't come and go.
As it's beyond the reptilian brain you are pointing at. The survival mode.
Most leaders in history have most likely been psychopaths lacked empathy been identified with this part of the brain.
I find some, not all of Ickes readership haven't grasped what he's pointing at. If you look he was a journalist, politician but his experience in Peru allowed for him to see a better, wider perspective of the old parts he had been in. If you look in his interviews on news channels you can see how they are repeaters against where he's investigated the issue at hand and listening to one of his interviews recently with London Real he says he puts it out there and it's up to people to see if it rings true or not.
And if you look most people just repeat these days from the daily news or from spiritual texts.
If you look at Angkor Wat just as an example it's based on the rig Veda even with a scene from the Mahabharata. In there you will find a scene about 45 metres in length the churning of the milky ocean. With 88 asuras and 92 devas
The forces of evolution seem to be one step ahead of the forces of entropy
Each identified with a specific role with the mass of people having all these parts within themselves in the imagined story of a separate me. Take Aleister Crowley he toured India practiced raja yoga, was very much into meditation but a point came he gave up joined the asuras and wanted to experience everything but meditation. Went from one side of the room to the other.
Why Rumi talks of the need of a guide as you may stop off.
As Aleister wrote
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
"War is like a wave; some it rolls over, some it drowns, some it beats to pieces on the shingle; but some it shoots far up the shore on to glistening golden sand out of the reach of any further freaks of fortune."
"I've often thought that there isn't any 'I' at all; that we are simply the means of expression of something else; that when we think of ourselves, we are simply the victims of a delusion."
"I loathe law. It seems to me as if it were merely an elaborate series of obstacles to doing things sensibly."
"Ever man is eternally alone. But when you get mixed up with a fairly decent crowd, you forget that appalling fact for long enough to give your brain time to recover from the acute symptoms of its disease - that of thinking."
"Having to talk destroys the symphony of silence. It's hateful to be interrupted."
"Lofty morality is the last refuge when one feels onself to be hopelessly in the wrong."
"The most delicious sensation of all is the re-birth of healthy human love. Spring coming back to Earth!"
"Everyone interprets everything in terms of his own experience. If you say anything which does not touch a precisely similar spot in another man's brain, he either misunderstand you, or doesn't understand you at all."
". . . only by climbing painfully to a spot beyond human intervention, could one obtain a stable point of view from which to regard the Universe in due proportion."
"There is nothing in nature which cannot be used for our benefit, and it is up to us to use it wisely."
"People think that talking is a sign of thinking. It isn't, for the most part' on the contrary, it's a mechanical dodge of the body to relieve oneself of the strain of thinking, just as exercising the muscles helps the body to become temporarily unconscious of its weight, its pain, its weariness, and the foreknowledge of its doom."
"The universe is the looking-glass of the soul."
"Experience is the only teacher."
"As long as you have animal passions, you are an animal. How disgusting it is to think of eating and loving and all those appetites, like cattle! Breathing itself would be beastly if one knew one were doing it. How intolerable life would be to people of even mediocre refinement if they were always acutely conscious of the process of digestion."
"Our souls have invented our minds . . . with the object of registering conscious experiences, and therefore the more deeply an experience is felt the better our minds are carrying out the intention of our souls."
"The most deeply seated instinct in us is our craving for experience."
"The true test of the perversity of a pleasure is that it occupies a disproportionate amount of the attention."
"Sanity consists in the proper equilibrium of ideas in general. That is the only sense in which it is true that genius is connected with insanity."
"Man has a right to spiritual ambition. He has evolved to what he is, through making dangerous experiments."
"We learn more from our failures than from our successes."
"Love is the law, love under will."
The new law of the barbarians ( the barbarians were the Europeans of old)
After five years of folly and weakness, miscalled politeness, tact, discretion, care for the feeling of others, I am weary of it. I say today: the hell with Christianity, Rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring you a positive and primaeval fact, Magick by name; and with this I will build me a new Heaven and a new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good, but strong.
You will have the archetypal levels within as they serve and can be destructive too. Many of the Vikings called on feminine deities like the Valkyrie. Angels of death. The barbarian tribes of ancient Europe would embrace a certain archetype in the coming of passage of time for young men to transcend into manhood . The indigenous tribes would send their children out to find their nature animal for where they were at.
It all serves in the story.
But what was said to the rose that made it open. By Rumi is beyond all of this.
India like China and parts of Japan experimented more with the inner world.
Yes in the past India they may have been more receptive, why they were invaded so many times,if you look it called itself the motherland. To go within you have to become more feminine receptive.
With countries that have called themselves the fatherland they have been more aggressive like Germany.
Interestingly today mein Kampf is a best seller in India. You can even find a restaurant dedicated to Hitler in India with a following calling him a great leader.
So with Oshos book being very popular in India which are now placed next to Gandhis works his emphasis on zorba the Buddha. As Osho was a Tantric master the play of Being in That as well as enjoying the world. Just as a flower 🌺 has its roots in the dirt. Will be the future play.
It sees no separation. Just what is.