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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 22:48:19 GMT -5
Ugh, really? Such terrible advice for seekers. Yes. It's important to let the seeker know that an arising interest to meditate or not, to inquire or not, to do nothing at all, to run around naked, whatever, is not apart from "God's hands." That's a nice concept but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Contrast that with what Ramana said. He was absolutely clear that the highest teaching was the practice of self-inquiry and is the quickest way to realization.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 22:57:13 GMT -5
I agree with that. What many fail to see is that arising interest, intent, the pull to do this, do that, go here, refrain from going there, etc, etc, is all part and parcel of 'in god's hands.' I didn't say I agreed with him. I know.
You seem to think one can 'do' his way into SR. (?)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 22:58:48 GMT -5
Yes. It's important to let the seeker know that an arising interest to meditate or not, to inquire or not, to do nothing at all, to run around naked, whatever, is not apart from "God's hands." That's a nice concept but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Contrast that with what Ramana said. He was absolutely clear that the highest teaching was the practice of self-inquiry and is the quickest way to realization. While a sincere interest towards self-inquiry may indeed appear to place one in an auspicious position, there are no guarantees.
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 22:59:24 GMT -5
I didn't say I agreed with him. I know.
You seem to think one can 'do' his way into SR. (?) The sages make it perfectly clear that practice is necessary. Conceptual discussions cannot talk you or think you into liberation. It is impossible. The same conversations will be happening here in 10 years time.
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 22:59:52 GMT -5
That's a nice concept but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Contrast that with what Ramana said. He was absolutely clear that the highest teaching was the practice of self-inquiry and is the quickest way to realization. While a sincere interest towards self-inquiry may indeed appear to place one in an auspicious position, there are no guarantees. That's correct there are no guarantees. What's the alternative?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:05:18 GMT -5
I know.
You seem to think one can 'do' his way into SR. (?) The sages make it perfectly clear that practice is necessary. Conceptual discussions cannot talk you or think you into liberation. It is impossible. The same conversations will be happening here in 10 years time. Just as talk/conversation does not cause liberation, nor does practice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:06:54 GMT -5
While a sincere interest towards self-inquiry may indeed appear to place one in an auspicious position, there are no guarantees. That's correct there are no guarantees. What's the alternative? None. If a sincere interest to practice arises, there is nothing to do but follow that. It's always the presence of sincere interest that is most auspicious though, not the practice itself.
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 23:08:12 GMT -5
The sages make it perfectly clear that practice is necessary. Conceptual discussions cannot talk you or think you into liberation. It is impossible. The same conversations will be happening here in 10 years time. Just as talk/conversation does not cause liberation, nor does practice. If you have such doubts then do nothing.
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 23:10:15 GMT -5
That's correct there are no guarantees. What's the alternative? None. If a sincere interest to practice arises, there is nothing to do but follow that. It's always the presence of sincere interest that is most auspicious though, not the practice itself. The presence of sincere interest in what? Interest in talking about spirituality. Yes the mind will never stop its chattering. What will that give you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:11:48 GMT -5
Just as talk/conversation does not cause liberation, nor does practice. If you have such doubts then do nothing. If you look closely, the drive to do things and then refrain from doing, is not even in your hands to begin with. You're overthinking this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:12:39 GMT -5
None. If a sincere interest to practice arises, there is nothing to do but follow that. It's always the presence of sincere interest that is most auspicious though, not the practice itself. The presence of sincere interest in what? Interest in talking about spirituality. Yes the mind will never stop its chattering. What will that give you? I was speaking there of the interest to 'practice,' as that's what you were talking about and I responded to your post. You ok?
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 23:13:26 GMT -5
If you have such doubts then do nothing. If you look closely, the drive to do things and then refrain from doing, is not even in your hands to begin with. You're overthinking this. No I think you are overthinking. I'm not because I know the importance of transcending which is not thinking. That's the whole point, you need to get rid of thinking.
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Post by satchitananda on Apr 19, 2019 23:14:34 GMT -5
The presence of sincere interest in what? Interest in talking about spirituality. Yes the mind will never stop its chattering. What will that give you? I was speaking there of the interest to 'practice,' as that's what you were talking about and I responded to your post. You ok? Well if there's an interest to practice then put it into practice. Are you okay?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:15:32 GMT -5
If you look closely, the drive to do things and then refrain from doing, is not even in your hands to begin with. You're overthinking this. No I think you are overthinking. I'm not because I know the importance of transcending which is not thinking. That's the whole point, you need to get rid of thinking.I guess you haven't been following the recent conversations with Andrew? That's been my precise point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 23:16:22 GMT -5
I was speaking there of the interest to 'practice,' as that's what you were talking about and I responded to your post. You ok? Well if there's an interest to practice then put it into practice. Are you okay? If the interest is strong enough, you won't be able to refrain from putting it into practice.
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