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Post by lolly on Jan 27, 2024 8:30:48 GMT -5
So zazeniac sees a lack of honesty in the other because he himself is lacking honesty? "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Very clever. Because Freud said the contrary, it makes you think of penis. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 10:56:37 GMT -5
Nonsense. A little venting can actually be healthy. Maybe you should try it sometime. Indeed. However, in SDP's case, his political views have slowly poisoned relationships with other members on this forum who don't see things as SDP sees them. Quite ridiculous, actually, if you think about what SDP keeps writing here about non-reactivity, but it's a sad fact. That's the power of an unchecked monkey-mind. It will lead to self-deception and then self-destruction. I'm only interested in the truth, the facts aren't open to interpretation. I'm OK with letting the courts decide and the voters decide. He whose name cannot be spoken is the monkey-mind-king. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 10:58:13 GMT -5
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Very clever. Because Freud said the contrary, it makes you think of penis. Someone pointed this out to him, thus the quote, which is a quote. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 11:13:53 GMT -5
Some people can see a snake in the grass, and it's just obviously a snake in the grass. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sigmund Freud. But, generally, yes, it's a firm principle. Anyone who can't see through _____......... Anyone, after _____ _____. God help us all if __ __ _______ ____ _____. %%&)(&R$%(*&^&&...%$$(&&*&^%$#$&()(^#@%)*&*()...))(*&&^%%$#@$&(&^^&^%^&*(.........*^&^%$%^&*&...^%^&&^%$#$#^*U%##%^(...............)(*&&%#$@#$%^&*(*(((*...&^%$#########$...%6788*88. Charles Manson was a narcissistic, rapist, racist, thief, liar, charismatic, traitorous, malicious, slanderous con-man moron. 9*&^%$%&^^$#!#$%^&*(876%%$##$%^^&&**((...All that is just history, and/or obvious. Look at how he. .. ___ ____ __ and_ _____, that's just sick. He learned the art of manipulation and persuasion from ______ _______ _____, and his ______, but not as NVP intended. Is there such a thing as karma? Bet the farm on it. Do you think you get a 'get out of jail free card' because of your the authority here? zazeniac has more integrity in his left... little finger than the whole of GM. Hopefully you're asleep and I can delete this in 4-5 hours. Or not. Just answer the question, do you put yourself above Ramana and Niz? Just answer the question, how do you think you might die? But the Jesus-dude said we have to let the wheat and the tares grow together, don't try to sort them out yourselves. He gave one and only one rule for judgement, count the fruit. But sometimes you just have to point out the obvious.  So you are buying his zen schtick? I'm sorry, but with every further post zazeniac adds to this conversation, he's losing another big chunk of his credibility. I called his bluff. As to your questions, they are misconceived. I just think only the zen master gets to use the kyosaku on the student. It looks foolish in your hands. |
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Post by DonHelado on Jan 27, 2024 11:22:21 GMT -5
Grandma is spiritual fire! She sees your sins and your failed spiritual practices, and holds your faces to the flames of penance! No one is safe!
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 11:27:59 GMT -5
Some people can see a snake in the grass, and it's just obviously a snake in the grass. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sigmund Freud. But, generally, yes, it's a firm principle. ..... Robert F Kennedy Jr. &.... No, he's not going to end up in prison. When he is convicted of a crime ... again is to try to stay out of prison. ... Is there such a thing as karma? Bet the farm on it. ....zazeniac has more integrity in his left little finger than the whole of GM. Hopefully you're asleep and I can delete this in 4-5 hours. Or not. But the Jesus-dude ...grow together, don't try to sort them out yourselves. He gave one and only one rule for judgement, count You just hurt yourself ... Two monks were walking along the road and came to a river where a woman was stranded, afraid to cross. The one monk offered to carry her across. Success, and the monks continued their journey. About two miles down the road, the other monk finally burst out. Don't! you! know! the offense you've! committed!? You've broken our vows against touching a woman! The one monk answered, I left her back at the river's edge, you're still carrying her. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 11:49:06 GMT -5
Some people can see a snake in the grass, and it's just obviously a snake in the grass. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sigmund Freud. But, generally, yes, it's a firm principle. Anyone who can't see through _____......... Anyone, after _____ _____. God help us all if __ __ _______ ____ _____. %%&)(&R$%(*&^&&...%$$(&&*&^%$#$&()(^#@%)*&*()...))(*&&^%%$#@$&(&^^&^%^&*(.........*^&^%$%^&*&...^%^&&^%$#$#^*U%##%^(...............)(*&&%#$@#$%^&*(*(((*...&^%$#########$...%6788*88. Charles Manson was a narcissistic, rapist, racist, thief, liar, charismatic, traitorous, malicious, slanderous con-man moron. 9*&^%$%&^^$#!#$%^&*(876%%$##$%^^&&**((...All that is just history, and/or obvious. Look at how he. .. ___ ____ __ and_ _____, that's just sick. He learned the art of manipulation and persuasion from ______ _______ _____, and his ______, but not as NVP intended. Is there such a thing as karma? Bet the farm on it. Do you think you get a 'get out of jail free card' because of your the authority here? zazeniac has more integrity in his left... little finger than the whole of GM. Hopefully you're asleep and I can delete this in 4-5 hours. Or not. Just answer the question, do you put yourself above Ramana and Niz? Just answer the question, how do you think you might die? But the Jesus-dude said we have to let the wheat and the tares grow together, don't try to sort them out yourselves. He gave one and only one rule for judgement, count the fruit. But sometimes you just have to point out the obvious. So you are buying his zen schtick? I'm sorry, but with every further post zazeniac adds to this conversation, he's losing another big chunk of his credibility. I called his bluff. You don't see that you are replying to zazeniac in kind, you just white-wash it. If you don't realize this, then it's just buried deep in your shadow. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 13:02:20 GMT -5
So you are buying his zen schtick? I'm sorry, but with every further post zazeniac adds to this conversation, he's losing another big chunk of his credibility. I called his bluff. You don't see that you are replying to zazeniac in kind, you just white-wash it. If you don't realize this, then it's just buried deep in your shadow. I called his bluff and I also just called your bluff. Deal with it. Your teachings have been proven worthless in a real life situation like this one. You both went unconscious and fell into a big black hole. The zennist at least stopped digging now, it seems. But you went away and came back with a heavy excavator. Hello?!  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 13:15:55 GMT -5
You don't see that you are replying to zazeniac in kind, you just white-wash it. If you don't realize this, then it's just buried deep in your shadow. I called his bluff and I also just called your bluff. Deal with it. Your teachings have been proven worthless in a real life situation like this one. You both went unconscious and fell into a big black hole. The zennist at least stopped digging now, it seems. But you went away and came back with a heavy excavator. Hello?! I have only ever said all we can *do* is observe whatever is (inside or outside). Everything-just-happens. Nothing has been proven worthless. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 13:18:08 GMT -5
I called his bluff and I also just called your bluff. Deal with it. Your teachings have been proven worthless in a real life situation like this one. You both went unconscious and fell into a big black hole. The zennist at least stopped digging now, it seems. But you went away and came back with a heavy excavator. Hello?! I have only ever said all we can *do* is observe whatever is (inside or outside). Everything-just-happens. Nothing has been proven worthless. Dude, just stop digging, will you? ** shakes head sadly ** |
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Post by DonHelado on Jan 27, 2024 13:36:04 GMT -5
Next time this happens and you feel the urge to jump in, type it out but don't post it. When you can do that, you can move on to the next level, logging in but not typing it. And after you've mastered that level, you can move to not even logging in anymore. Should be a piece of cake for a zennist. Dude, you just can't stop yourself. I've had enough of tour bullshit. I see 't' is next to 'y' on the keyboard. Looks like you and stardustpilgrim really pissed off Grandma, but I can't see why. Why are you guys such un-evolved losers? Does Grandma have a real life identity, so you can attend Satsang and absorb her holiness? Or is it just a virtual guru? |
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Post by DonHelado on Jan 27, 2024 13:39:18 GMT -5
So you are buying his zen schtick? I'm sorry, but with every further post zazeniac adds to this conversation, he's losing another big chunk of his credibility. I called his bluff. You don't see that you are replying to zazeniac in kind, you just white-wash it. If you don't realize this, then it's just buried deep in your shadow. Solid point, but if you see shadow psychology, then you also know how utterly futile that attempt at debate is. Life teaches, using harsher methods. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2024 14:05:08 GMT -5
You just hurt yourself ... Two monks were walking along the road and came to a river where a woman was stranded, afraid to cross. The one monk offered to carry her across. Success, and the monks continued their journey. About two miles down the road, the other monk finally burst out. Don't! you! know! the offense you've! committed!? You've broken our vows against touching a woman! The one monk answered, I left her back at the river's edge, you're still carrying her. I meant well . Many nightmares are meant to trigger "lucid dreaming". Many awake situations that cause you intense fear, anger, frustration, have the same purpose: to bring you " lucidity", to re-establish the innate connection to the inner self when awake, like a student who knows why he is in school, like a game player who knows he plays it to acquire skills, not for fun, like anybody who understands that he does a job as part of his growth and development, not only because he needs the money. It is a matter of perspective. You liked the word "immersed" ... Your default state should be of "lucidity", from which you consciously "immerse" yourself in whatever needed, whenever needed, to the optimum degree needed, for how long needed, only. Your story has a deeper interpretation that you seem to suggest. The interpretation depends only on your beliefs and approach. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 14:53:13 GMT -5
Grandma is spiritual fire! She sees your sins and your failed spiritual practices, and holds your faces to the flames of penance! No one is safe! Shiva. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 15:00:18 GMT -5
Two monks were walking along the road and came to a river where a woman was stranded, afraid to cross. The one monk offered to carry her across. Success, and the monks continued their journey. About two miles down the road, the other monk finally burst out. Don't! you! know! the offense you've! committed!? You've broken our vows against touching a woman! The one monk answered, I left her back at the river's edge, you're still carrying her. I meant well . Many nightmares are meant to trigger "lucid dreaming". Many awake situations that cause you intense fear, anger, frustration, have the same purpose: to bring you " lucidity", to re-establish the innate connection to the inner self when awake, like a student who knows why he is in school, like a game player who knows he plays it to acquire skills, not for fun, like anybody who understands that he does a job as part of his growth and development, not only because he needs the money. It is a matter of perspective. You liked the word "immersed" ... Your default state should be of "lucidity", from which you consciously "immerse" yourself in whatever needed, whenever needed, to the optimum degree needed, for how long needed, only. Your story has a deeper interpretation that you seem to suggest. The interpretation depends only on your beliefs and approach. No problem. People don't think they have beliefs, because the beliefs are invisible, it's what-they- are, what they consider themselves to be. It's kind of like being in a cult, you never recognize you are a cult member, until you're out. You don't realize you had a belief, until your belief changes. And then the new belief, likewise, you think, now I have the truth. Rinse and repeat. |
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