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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:15:13 GMT -5
Of course. To a believer, the sun God is not an illusion. Aren't Niz, Ramana, Spira, Hedderman also illusions? Are they any less or more illusory than the Sun God or Krishna? Are there levels of illusions? I mean when krsna offers a pointer is it less on target than Niz say? You see I think myths can be useful pointers. Do they lose there effectiveness if people take them literally? Ramana talked about the value and effectiveness of the path of devotion. Curious to hear your take on devotion.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 11:45:25 GMT -5
I have an alternate explanation for the sound you hear in your stethoscope. Again, check with your doctor. The" lub" is the sound of the tricuspid and mitral valves closing. The" DUB" is the sound of the aortic and pulmonary valves closing. Together, they're the sound of someone's heart doing its job. The distinctive sound of the heartbeat-lub-dub, lub-dub, lub-dub comes from the closure of two pairs of heart valves. That's the explanation. God is in those sounds "Lub - Dub." Now you've got it.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 12:10:41 GMT -5
Of course. To a believer, the sun God is not an illusion. Aren't Niz, Ramana, Spira, Hedderman also illusions? Are they any less or more illusory than the Sun God or Krishna? Are there levels of illusions? I mean when krsna offers a pointer is it less on target than Niz say? You see I think myths can be useful pointers. Do they lose there effectiveness if people take them literally? Ramana talked about the value and effectiveness of the path of devotion. Curious to hear your take on devotion. There is power in devotion because it brings a willingness that is auspicious, but the mind never becomes a friend in the pursuit of truth, so if myths are being taken literally there will be devotion accompanied by illusion. There are many examples of such an approach resulting in pablum for the ego and a mind trapped by it's own stories. The mind must somehow remain in a state of not-knowing until it is informed from beyond mind. As for Niz, et al, they are not illusions but rather elevated expressions of THIS, in service of the truth and not the stories that titillate mind. Many are good story writers, few are good pointers to the simple Truth.
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Post by etolle on Feb 27, 2019 12:28:21 GMT -5
Of course. To a believer, the sun God is not an illusion. SUN GOD AINT REAL?...WHAT IS YOUR MENTAL POSITION ON BIG FOOT?
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Post by zendancer on Feb 27, 2019 15:25:21 GMT -5
Aren't Niz, Ramana, Spira, Hedderman also illusions? Are they any less or more illusory than the Sun God or Krishna? Are there levels of illusions? I mean when krsna offers a pointer is it less on target than Niz say? You see I think myths can be useful pointers. Do they lose there effectiveness if people take them literally? Ramana talked about the value and effectiveness of the path of devotion. Curious to hear your take on devotion. There is power in devotion because it brings a willingness that is auspicious, but the mind never becomes a friend in the pursuit of truth, so if myths are being taken literally there will be devotion accompanied by illusion. There are many examples of such an approach resulting in pablum for the ego and a mind trapped by it's own stories. The mind must somehow remain in a state of not-knowing until it is informed from beyond mind. As for Niz, et al, they are not illusions but rather elevated expressions of THIS, in service of the truth and not the stories that titillate mind. Many are good story writers, few are good pointers to the simple Truth. Yes. Well said.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 19:11:07 GMT -5
Of course. To a believer, the sun God is not an illusion. SUN GOD AINT REAL?...WHAT IS YOUR MENTAL POSITION ON BIG FOOT? I'm pretty sure it's Satchitananda, who is currently hibernating and doesn't have WIFI in his cave.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 11:43:36 GMT -5
Aren't Niz, Ramana, Spira, Hedderman also illusions? Are they any less or more illusory than the Sun God or Krishna? Are there levels of illusions? I mean when krsna offers a pointer is it less on target than Niz say? You see I think myths can be useful pointers. Do they lose there effectiveness if people take them literally? Ramana talked about the value and effectiveness of the path of devotion. Curious to hear your take on devotion. There is power in devotion because it brings a willingness that is auspicious, but the mind never becomes a friend in the pursuit of truth, so if myths are being taken literally there will be devotion accompanied by illusion. There are many examples of such an approach resulting in pablum for the ego and a mind trapped by it's own stories. The mind must somehow remain in a state of not-knowing until it is informed from beyond mind. As for Niz, et al, they are not illusions but rather elevated expressions of THIS, in service of the truth and not the stories that titillate mind. Many are good story writers, few are good pointers to the simple Truth. To paraphrase Ramana, bhakti is the mother of jnana. As you point out, there is great power and, I would add, potential in devotion. There are pitfalls as there are in all paths. I got to experience the power first hand recently on a trip to the Meher Baba center in Myrtle Beach. I am not a devotee, but was taken aback by the peace, warmth, silence and sheer beauty of the place. The silence was the most heartening component of the experience. My path is not bhakti, but I gained a great appreciation for that path.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2019 18:42:08 GMT -5
"It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end."
Ursula K. Le Guin, The Left Hand of Darkness (Hainish Cycle #4)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 11:45:37 GMT -5
Sages/Gurus need thoughts to teach students. The absence of thoughts is much deeper. It can only be appreciated in total silence. Yet one can't stay that way. Thoughts appear which in themselves journeys to other worlds. Krsna says in the Bhagavad - Gita, "Always think of Me. Become My devotee. Surely, you will come to Me." Not at all. Scholars need words. Sages teach by example. The goal is not to acquire knowledge. The goal is to embody knowledge, to be living in knowledge or knowing. And that can't be taught. It takes a realization. No one can give you that realization. And you can't make it happen either. Now what are you going to do? Surrender to gofigma, the three headed God, the destroyer of worlds, the crusher of all delusions and beliefs. Submit or be spanked.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 2, 2019 12:15:20 GMT -5
Not at all. Scholars need words. Sages teach by example. The goal is not to acquire knowledge. The goal is to embody knowledge, to be living in knowledge or knowing. And that can't be taught. It takes a realization. No one can give you that realization. And you can't make it happen either. Now what are you going to do? Surrender to gofigma, the three headed God, the destroyer of worlds, the crusher of all delusions and beliefs. Submit or be spanked. Surrendering to solipsism? Never!
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 2, 2019 18:32:25 GMT -5
Surrender to gofigma, the three headed God, the destroyer of worlds, the crusher of all delusions and beliefs. Submit or be spanked. Surrendering to solipsism? Never! Non-duality devotees don't surrender. They are captured and taken as prisoners.
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Post by laughter on Mar 2, 2019 23:41:19 GMT -5
Surrendering to solipsism? Never! Non-duality devotees don't surrender. They are captured and taken as prisoners. Greetings, LOL ... Bee Well
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 4, 2019 18:18:46 GMT -5
"Love to dream, empty the mind ( the cause of all fear), focus of what's to be done, willing to survive, aim at perfection, succeed the impossible, dangerous task. In the end, a reality."
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 7, 2019 21:42:29 GMT -5
SUN GOD AINT REAL?...WHAT IS YOUR MENTAL POSITION ON BIG FOOT? I'm pretty sure it's Satchitananda, who is currently hibernating and doesn't have WIFI in his cave. Well after months of haggling with the internet company about their resistance to lay fiber optic cable to my cave they finally relented. I pointed out to them that you can even get Wi-Fi on Basecamp 3 on Everest. Have I missed anything?
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2019 11:44:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's Satchitananda, who is currently hibernating and doesn't have WIFI in his cave. Well after months of haggling with the internet company about their resistance to lay fiber optic cable to my cave they finally relented. I pointed out to them that you can even get Wi-Fi on Basecamp 3 on Everest. Have I missed anything? Hey, congrats on the cave upgrade. As for missing anything, lemme think about that and get back to you.
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