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Post by sharon on Jun 1, 2023 15:21:50 GMT -5
I try not to get too involved in forum politics, but it seems like a storm in a teacup. Much ado about nothing. Your male energy couldn't be any clearer to me. So I consider that if figs really buys into all that then she probably isn't very perceptive and deluded in that respect. If she's just poking then it's no real biggie either. Just ignore it. It's not really hurtin anyone. Also, I think Tegan is a lovely name. I don't know if you have deed poll over there, but if you're name isn't Tegan you should seriously consider changing it to that. I know I am! Sure, it's silly. But we are long past the poking stage. You have to also consider the time and energy she put into this, the tenacity. Especially the way she went after Sharon. Anyway, thanks for your input. It's old news now man, honestly. That Facebook account is now deleted. Give it another few days. If the drinking calms down then there might be less fire to put out.
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Post by inavalan on Jun 1, 2023 15:22:18 GMT -5
I try not to get too involved in forum politics, but it seems like a storm in a teacup. Much ado about nothing. Your male energy couldn't be any clearer to me. So I consider that if figs really buys into all that then she probably isn't very perceptive and deluded in that respect. If she's just poking then it's no real biggie either. Just ignore it. It's not really hurtin anyone. Also, I think Tegan is a lovely name. I don't know if you have deed poll over there, but if you're name isn't Tegan you should seriously consider changing it to that. I know I am!
Pillock!! www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/top-10-rare-and-amusing-insults-vol-1/pillock
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Post by ouroboros on Jun 1, 2023 17:48:35 GMT -5
I was joshing around today and Sharon was responding to that. Classic case of the dictionary definition doesn't always capture the context! Lighten up folks.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 1, 2023 17:52:46 GMT -5
Too bad we don't have the auto-sensor anymore. That would have been a real test.
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Post by andrew on Jun 1, 2023 18:33:33 GMT -5
Too bad we don't have the auto-sensor anymore. That would have been a real test. I've always considered it a very gentle insult, haven't heard it in years, takes me back to my childhood 'Plonker' is another one that now has me chuckling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 20:11:29 GMT -5
Too bad we don't have the auto-sensor anymore. That would have been a real test. I've always considered it a very gentle insult, haven't heard it in years, takes me back to my childhood 'Plonker' is another one that now has me chuckling. One of my favorite British insults is wanker.
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Post by laughter on Jun 1, 2023 20:14:02 GMT -5
A distinction of what, from what? The process is an energy gradient, with no independent origination. The way points along the gradient are arbitrary. The process by which distinctiveness itself arises. The path it takes. What is "it"? The question was, what is distinct, from what? C.T.Joe would say "my hand, from the tub". So we agree that "cold" is a process, but your answer here is unclear. I'm just saying that distinction is a natural part of the process of expression unfolding as a whole. Regardless of whether or not any extraneous mental overlay arises. Possibly a bit vague, idk. But I can't really talk in terms of boundaries when it comes to impressions, i.e distinctiveness. It might seem odd to talk about impression and distinctiveness in the same breath. But perception is an unfathomable (and predominantly subconscious) process of differentiation. A cascade from vague to acute. In terms of expression, that encompasses 'the conditioned'. So ocean as a whole, and wave-like individuated aspects. When I'm talking about vagueness, I should probably mention that I do absolutely grok ATA, which is an alert and therefore vivid state of direct sensory perception absent mental overlay or narrative. I'm sure that's been clear anyway. But maintain that a process of distinction or differentiation is still going on in such a state, in the form of subconscious mental processing. Which is one of the reasons I tend to employ a broader conception of mind than others it seems. Although I do understand the way they use mind to point to those surface level aspects which are quiescent. .. but see that as merely the cessation of 'monkey-mind'.
Yes, the mental overlays are only at the surface. We're at or close to a point of agreeing to disagree. I've already acknowledged the difference between physical and mental distinctions. There is a difference between distinguishing between the hand and the tub, on one hand, and Monday and Tuesday, on the other, no doubt. I can understand how what I've written about unusual experiences might ultimately be a condescension, but that just is what it is. "Not two" is really, quite the deep rabbit hole. And also the existential truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 21:14:33 GMT -5
1) Yes, some sanity. I don't know why figgles thinks it's important to challenge Reefs gender, on and on. Truth is not so easy to come by, it only matters to some one, truth can't really be shared, we can't drill a hole into someone's head and pour in truth. 2) And then too, why does it bother Reefs? 3) What you think of me is none of my business. That appeared on my FB screen once upon a time, or maybe I wrote it on my FB screen, I think I read it somewhere once. Pretty good and succinct to live by. I think I'll add it to my signature. Solves a lot of problems. 1) Fun fact, just a few months ago Robert still considered Figgles gone full blown insane (or something along those lines) exactly because of that. [...] Hey. That's out of context so I feel compelled to comment. I had been on her site, and I said that half-joking about my own getting sucked into an energy draining argument. But, yes, I think she is way overboard there, and I have made that argument to her, on her site. And to be totally honest, she may be insane. But I think that about quite a few of you, and sometimes myself, so I didn't mean to side with Figgles against you in all that. My comment was more about giving a clean slate and time to calm down and see what happens. For now I'll leave it alone. Maybe we'll talk in private more. I like ouroboros' posts. He hasn't lost his humor and lightness about it all. I mean, remember when you and I got into once about whether you were Aquaman. We both seemed pretty serious about that for a moment. That's funny! (Wait... "Reefs"... oh my God... it was in front of me all along... He's not Tegan. He's Arthur Curry.)
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 1, 2023 21:20:13 GMT -5
Sure, but those noticed patterns themselves, remain a facet of 'what's appearing'......it's all fine up until we call it a inviolable, dictating "law."
I like the way Jed mcKenna put it re: LOA....something akin to he'd "almost" call it Truth, but cannot, because it's dream-content....but he did reference just how persistent indeed those apparent patterns can be.
What I've also noticed though about those who are really bought into LOA/deliberate creation is that they that they get very creative at "finding" and then assigning "correlation/pattern" to what is imminently arising.
Word lawyering about the word "law". Aces. Hey, you know, an impersonal portrait ain't so impersonal if everyone knows who you're referring to. To LOA'ers, the term "law" very much does equal "existential Truth...inviolable/Absolute." A-H teaches that nothing occurs outside of that law....whatever appears now, was "created" by how you've been vibrating...all dependent upon whether you've were in or out of alignment.
So, I don't really get there why you accuse 'word-lawyering.' The "law" in LOA is assumed to be an Absolute Law that is always in play.
And what I said there, really was intended as a general statement that applies to all folks who are actively practicing LOA....there is very much a tendency of mind to 'jump' on what even sort of appears to be a pattern, in order to them claim, "LOA/deliberate creation works, just like they said it would."
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 1, 2023 21:24:31 GMT -5
Yeah, a little birdie told me you're a she named Tegan. Not so? Not so. So this definitely is NOT you, then?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 1, 2023 21:26:53 GMT -5
I actually didn't want to go there, but it seems circumstances force me to address this matter anyway, because there is some moderator action required. I just haven't made up my mind yet what it will be. ... =========== So, open question to the forum. What do you guys think I should do? 1) Should I read Figgles the riot act again in hope that she may finally come to her senses and actually makes an effort to fit in here? 2) Or should I just ban her like any other malicious troll, because she can't be reasoned with anyway and apparently isn't in control of her own thoughts and behavior either? I am leaning towards a permanent ban, because I see zero interest on her part to fit in. It is only going to get worse from here on. She'll paint herself as an innocent victim of an evil moderator crew. Let me know what you think. I will consider all your input in my final decision. Thank you. ============ The way I look at this: I create my own reality. So, experiencing frig, as is ... On one hand, that needs an interpretation I can learn from, get a guidance. On the other hand, that needs an investigation of the root cause, finding my limiting belief, then change it. Looking at frig as a Zeland pendulum may offer a quick but temporary relief, but if I don't address the limiting belief, then another manifestation will ensue. Both the interpretation and the limiting belief are personal, so yours are most likely different than mine. As a pendulum I put her on "ignore", and see her posts only when I am not logged-in, and I skip them with no emotion. I don't use the "ignore" to remove her, and others, to pretend they don't exist, but just as a reminder not to waste my time, because I don't care. As a moderator you also care about, and have a responsibility to the forum. It might be interesting to think in terms of interpretation and limiting belief from the point of view of the forum as a gestalt. Yes, you create your own reality. But you also co-create with others. And if this would be my own forum, I could and also would take almost full responsibility for what's going on here. But I am a moderator, not an admin, and there have been many other moderators before me who shaped this forum. So in a sense, I walked into an already existing gestalt and started reshaping it a bit. But the gestalt is not my creation, someone else, many others before me created it. And I can't take responsibility for that. There have been energies and currents in place long before I even came here. And they are still in place and I have to take those into account and navigate accordingly. It's not that simple in practice as it seems in theory.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 1, 2023 21:28:16 GMT -5
I try not to get too involved in forum politics, but it seems like a storm in a teacup. Much ado about nothing. Your male energy couldn't be any clearer to me. So I consider that if figs really buys into all that then she probably isn't very perceptive and deluded in that respect. If she's just poking then it's no real biggie either. Just ignore it. It's not really hurtin anyone. Also, I think Tegan is a lovely name. I don't know if you have deed poll over there, but if you're name isn't Tegan you should seriously consider changing it to that. I know I am! Actually that is trolling, with the intention to annoy or aggravate. I perceive it as biggie. Agreed.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 1, 2023 21:29:45 GMT -5
Sure, it's silly. But we are long past the poking stage. You have to also consider the time and energy she put into this, the tenacity. Especially the way she went after Sharon. Anyway, thanks for your input. It's old news now man, honestly. That Facebook account is now deleted. Give it another few days. If the drinking calms down then there might be less fire to put out. That's good to know. I just mentioned it as a counter point to the "it's all just poking fun" narrative, because that incident did look more like a seek and destroy mission and the recent Tegan thing has the exact same flavor to me.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 1, 2023 21:31:09 GMT -5
Too bad we don't have the auto-sensor anymore. That would have been a real test. Wristwatch!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 1, 2023 21:32:11 GMT -5
I've always considered it a very gentle insult, haven't heard it in years, takes me back to my childhood 'Plonker' is another one that now has me chuckling. One of my favorite British insults is wanker. Yes! I would never see that as an insult, because it's so funny.
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