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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 19, 2016 19:49:58 GMT -5
Prabhupāda Says: By nature’s own way the complete system of material activities is a source of perplexity for everyone. In every step there is perplexity, and therefore it behooves one to approach a bona fide spiritual master who can give one proper guidance for executing the purpose of life. All Vedic literatures advise us to approach a bona fide spiritual master to get free from the perplexities of life, which happen without our desire. They are like a forest fire that somehow blazes without being set by anyone. Similarly, the world situation is such’ that perplexities of life automatically appear, without our wanting such confusion. No one wants fire, and yet it takes place, and we become perplexed. The Vedic wisdom therefore advises that in order to solve the perplexities of life and to understand the science of the solution, one must approach a spiritual master who is in the disciplic succession. A person with a bona fide spiritual master is supposed to know everything. One should not, therefore, remain in material perplexities but should approach a spiritual master. This is the purport of this verse. [Bhagavad Gita 2.7] 
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 19, 2016 23:49:13 GMT -5
it is ok, i have come now to explain all.
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 9:37:57 GMT -5
it is ok, i have come now to explain all. Be my pleasure.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 19:40:32 GMT -5
The Gopal & Satchitananda are One Story
By Krsnaraja
The Gopal & Satchitananda are One Story is not new. It was patterned after Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu`s attempt at reconciling the Advaita and Dvaita philosophies when he philosophized that the Supreme Being and Being simultaneously are One & yet different. The former is greater than the latter ( Acintya-Bheda-Abheda-Tattva ).
Spontaneously, I asked Gopal this question, " Is Consciousness and awareness the same? " Gopal`s answer, " Consciousness=Awareness. " I made a follow though with this, " Is Krishna Consciousness the ultimate goal of the yogi?" I expected Gopal would answer it ASAP. But it took quite awhile, as I waited, to receive a reply.
I looked down on users online: Krsnaraja, Gopal and Satchitananda.
Then unexpectedly Gopal logged out. Only Krsnaraja & Satchitananda remained. Since I have a pressing engagement to do, I left. After returning looking forward to Gopal`s answer to that question. It was to my surprise Satchitananda who answered it, " The goal is to know that thou art that. Krishna consciousness is the same as awareness is the same as the Self (Atman) is the same as Brahman."
So, I asked myself, " Where`s Gopal`s answer?" Because I felt Gopal has the capacity to answer simply my question, " Is Krishna Consciousness/Awareness the ultimate goal of the yogi? " Because the name Gopal is Krishna himself. One has no business having a name Gopal if he/she does not know fully Krishna. For example. Yogananda Paramahansa is into non-dual philosophy after renouncing his dual name Mukunda Lal Gosh. So, If I were to ask Yogananda this question, " Is Krishna Consciousness/Awareness the ultimate goal of the yogi? " Yogananda will not hesitate to answer me because deep in his heart he knows the correct answer. Mukunda is Krishna`s name.
Finally, after Satchitananda answered, Gopal also came out with it,
" Krishna is considered to be the incarnation of Vishnu, Rama is also considered to be the incarnation of Vishnu.
While he was Krishna he knew that he was Vishnu(He knew that he was God), when he was Rama he did not know that he was Vishnu(He did not know that he was God)."
What kind of answer is that? When all the time, I was just expecting from Gopal a YES or NO answer.
Non-Dualists therefore if being made to answer a YES or NO, I expect from here to eternity their answer is always an OR. Because if they answer a YES/NO become Duals themselves. This is hypocrisy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 20:17:20 GMT -5
it is ok, i have come now to explain all. well that's was 20 hours ago you are a very slow teacher |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 21:28:17 GMT -5
it is ok, i have come now to explain all. well that's was 20 hours ago you are a very slow teacher : He reasons ill who says that Vaiṣṇavas die, When thou art living still in sound! The Vaiṣṇavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around. [Nārada Bhakti Sūtra – Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura] Commentary: If anyone stopped and thought about this statement by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura we would have to rearrange what we know or thought we know about reality. Fortunately many of us reading this have already done so. The maha bhagavata devotees of the Lord although they may disappear from our physical presence they have not in fact left us. Each one of them has a role to play in our spiritual education and each one of them is real to us if we want them to be. To think that they are jīva baddhas, that once they have left their body they may be like leaves in a stream and once they touch they may never meet again, is perhaps a rather foolish proposition in the light of the above statement of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord. Of course the maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord does not die. They are nitya siddha devotees and if we sincerely desire we can connect with them through their words as the devotee bhagavata.  We know the soul does not die, it is only the body that dies so the ‘person’ that inhabited the body of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord who descended in disciplic succession is not dead. Śrīla Prabhupāda is not dead and gone, he is very much alive and flourishing and is here for us in his instructions or vani form. So too is Kṛṣṇa. He did not die when shot with the hunter’s arrow. He is very much available to those whose hearts have been purified and can be found on the various altars around the world in His archa vigraha form. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 21:36:45 GMT -5
well that's was 20 hours ago you are a very slow teacher : He reasons ill who says that Vaiṣṇavas die, When thou art living still in sound! The Vaiṣṇavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around. [Nārada Bhakti Sūtra – Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura] Commentary: If anyone stopped and thought about this statement by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura we would have to rearrange what we know or thought we know about reality. Fortunately many of us reading this have already done so. The maha bhagavata devotees of the Lord although they may disappear from our physical presence they have not in fact left us. Each one of them has a role to play in our spiritual education and each one of them is real to us if we want them to be. To think that they are jīva baddhas, that once they have left their body they may be like leaves in a stream and once they touch they may never meet again, is perhaps a rather foolish proposition in the light of the above statement of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord. Of course the maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord does not die. They are nitya siddha devotees and if we sincerely desire we can connect with them through their words as the devotee bhagavata. We know the soul does not die, it is only the body that dies so the ‘person’ that inhabited the body of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord who descended in disciplic succession is not dead. Śrīla Prabhupāda is not dead and gone, he is very much alive and flourishing and is here for us in his instructions or vani form. So too is Kṛṣṇa. He did not die when shot with the hunter’s arrow. He is very much available to those whose hearts have been purified and can be found on the various altars around the world in His archa vigraha form. So are you now Universalenergy, my post was to that..seeing you like dual accounts |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 21:50:28 GMT -5
Prabhupāda Says: He reasons ill who says that Vaiṣṇavas die, When thou art living still in sound! The Vaiṣṇavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around. [Nārada Bhakti Sūtra – Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura] Commentary: If anyone stopped and thought about this statement by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura we would have to rearrange what we know or thought we know about reality. Fortunately many of us reading this have already done so. The maha bhagavata devotees of the Lord although they may disappear from our physical presence they have not in fact left us. Each one of them has a role to play in our spiritual education and each one of them is real to us if we want them to be. To think that they are jīva baddhas, that once they have left their body they may be like leaves in a stream and once they touch they may never meet again, is perhaps a rather foolish proposition in the light of the above statement of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord. Of course the maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord does not die. They are nitya siddha devotees and if we sincerely desire we can connect with them through their words as the devotee bhagavata. We know the soul does not die, it is only the body that dies so the ‘person’ that inhabited the body of a maha bhagavata devotee of the Lord who descended in disciplic succession is not dead. Śrīla Prabhupāda is not dead and gone, he is very much alive and flourishing and is here for us in his instructions or vani form. So too is Kṛṣṇa. He did not die when shot with the hunter’s arrow. He is very much available to those whose hearts have been purified and can be found on the various altars around the world in His archa vigraha form. So are you now Universalenergy, my post was to that..seeing you like dual accounts What I learn from non-dualism is not to tell the truth. If you tell the truth it`s dualistic. If you tell a lie it`s still dual. So, what`s truth? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 22:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 22:29:12 GMT -5
If we want to know the truth, we always refer it to authorities. If its spiritual truths, we base our findings on the scriptures e.g Bhagavad-gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. We can not manufacture truth from within. If you want to know the truth about an ailment you have to consult a licensed physician. If you want factual information regarding the law, we consult a lawyer. If we want to know about salvation, self-realization, liberation we consult a priest, a brahmana, a bonafide spiritual master. We can not manufacture truths, we refer them to authorities. Forum users whatever they debate with, views they come up with are simply half-truths, lies. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 22:37:32 GMT -5
In truth there are no such authorities for truth. It's all very relative. The Absolute truth is there is no truth only what IS. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 20, 2016 23:09:07 GMT -5
In truth there are no such authorities for truth. It's all very relative. The Absolute truth is there is no truth only what IS. Please pardon me for the pun but IS may mean Islamic State. You don`t want to end like Bin Ladin. They blamed him for 911. Whom do you really think responsible for it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 23:33:04 GMT -5
In truth there are no such authorities for truth. It's all very relative. The Absolute truth is there is no truth only what IS. Please pardon me for the pun but IS may mean Islamic State. You don`t want to end like Bin Ladin. They blamed him for 911. Whom do you really think responsible for it? Aha funny..911 was a inside job by our own gov't  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 21, 2016 2:54:09 GMT -5
Please pardon me for the pun but IS may mean Islamic State. You don`t want to end like Bin Ladin. They blamed him for 911. Whom do you really think responsible for it? Aha funny..911 was a inside job by our own gov't September 11, 2001 is unforgettable for me. It was a habit before I report for duty to drop by an internet cafe to check on my e-mail as well as open my account at indiadivine before a dot come now a dot org. The net cafe, Cyberland, was just located along the highway. I was engaged in debating with fellow users just about anything, but majority of the issues were focused on spirituality. I have this knack for opening a thread that suits my mind. One of them is, " Where does the day begin. "There were others, " Welcome to fantasyland. " These threads where my refuge. I could if I am pissed with those I engage in debating, disrupt the flow of the column of threads by simply posting a thought/post not relevant with these threads mentioned. Similar to most boards if you post, your starter thread will be on top for all to see. If others post, theirs will be on top. It means posters raise to the top whoever post first. So it was like that. With the thread, " Where does the day begin " messing up. Other forum users started to contribute. One says, " I have a gun what should I do with it. I will be taking a plane early. " Another would tell, " Shoot yourself if not use it to scare the passengers. " I would insert my view with a reaction, " The day begins when Krishna in the morning starts playing his flute and herd the cows to the forest of Vrndavan. ". It was sort a race what thread comes at the top. I would try also using the other thread I started, " Welcome to fantasyland. " Here, I use another character Prabhupad where we do a dialogue. Thus, it was like that threads began overlapping at the top whose gonna be first. Then suddenly, the board hanged and the internet cafe stopped running, the lights went out. So, I logged out & started to go to work ( resident physician at a district hospital ). The following day. I saw on television planes slamming one after the other at the two buildings of the World Trade Center in New York, USA. It was a horrible scene. Then I froze. What if that simulation from virtual became actual? It over rode the automatic pilots of the planes and can not be shifted to manual. Heading towards the direction of the Twin Towers. The others to Pentagon and White House. A cognizant, transcendental viral entity managed to escape and infect the air/navigation system of the US Air force and disabled her data bases was my theory that caused 911.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 22, 2016 2:02:03 GMT -5
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