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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 13:36:34 GMT -5
SB 10.1.62-63 — The inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, headed by Nanda Mahārāja and including his associate cowherd men and their wives, were none but denizens of the heavenly planets, O Mahārāja Parīkṣit, best of the descendants of Bharata, and so too were the descendants of the Vṛṣṇi dynasty, headed by Vasudeva and Devakī and the other women of the dynasty of Yadu. The friends, relatives and well-wishers of both Nanda Mahārāja and Vasudeva and even those who externally appeared to be followers of Kaṁsa were all demigods. SB 10.1.64 — Once the great saint Nārada approached Kaṁsa and informed him of how the demoniac persons who were a great burden on the earth were going to be killed. Thus Kaṁsa was placed into great fear and doubt. SB 10.1.65-66 — After the departure of the great saint Nārada, Kaṁsa thought that all the members of the Yadu dynasty were demigods and that any of the children born from the womb of Devakī might be Viṣṇu. Fearing his death, Kaṁsa arrested Vasudeva and Devakī and chained them with iron shackles. Suspecting each of the children to be Viṣṇu, Kaṁsa killed them one after another because of the prophecy that Viṣṇu would kill him. SB 10.1.67 — Kings greedy for sense gratification on this earth almost always kill their enemies indiscriminately. To satisfy their own whims, they may kill anyone, even their mothers, fathers, brothers or friends. SB 10.1.68 — In his previous birth, Kaṁsa had been a great demon named Kālanemi and been killed by Viṣṇu. Upon learning this information from Nārada, Kaṁsa became envious of everyone connected with the Yadu dynasty. SB 10.1.69 — Kaṁsa, the most powerful son of Ugrasena, even imprisoned his own father, the King of the Yadu, Bhoja and Andhaka dynasties, and personally ruled the states known as Śūrasena. i had always wanted to read the entire mahabarata, but you have totally cured me fromn that obviously terrible desire.I would have become as ignorant as you...thank you for your shining example... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 13:44:45 GMT -5
SB 10.1.62-63 — The inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, headed by Nanda Mahārāja and including his associate cowherd men and their wives, were none but denizens of the heavenly planets, O Mahārāja Parīkṣit, best of the descendants of Bharata, and so too were the descendants of the Vṛṣṇi dynasty, headed by Vasudeva and Devakī and the other women of the dynasty of Yadu. The friends, relatives and well-wishers of both Nanda Mahārāja and Vasudeva and even those who externally appeared to be followers of Kaṁsa were all demigods. SB 10.1.64 — Once the great saint Nārada approached Kaṁsa and informed him of how the demoniac persons who were a great burden on the earth were going to be killed. Thus Kaṁsa was placed into great fear and doubt. SB 10.1.65-66 — After the departure of the great saint Nārada, Kaṁsa thought that all the members of the Yadu dynasty were demigods and that any of the children born from the womb of Devakī might be Viṣṇu. Fearing his death, Kaṁsa arrested Vasudeva and Devakī and chained them with iron shackles. Suspecting each of the children to be Viṣṇu, Kaṁsa killed them one after another because of the prophecy that Viṣṇu would kill him. SB 10.1.67 — Kings greedy for sense gratification on this earth almost always kill their enemies indiscriminately. To satisfy their own whims, they may kill anyone, even their mothers, fathers, brothers or friends. SB 10.1.68 — In his previous birth, Kaṁsa had been a great demon named Kālanemi and been killed by Viṣṇu. Upon learning this information from Nārada, Kaṁsa became envious of everyone connected with the Yadu dynasty. SB 10.1.69 — Kaṁsa, the most powerful son of Ugrasena, even imprisoned his own father, the King of the Yadu, Bhoja and Andhaka dynasties, and personally ruled the states known as Śūrasena. i had always wanted to read the entire mahabarata, but you have totally cured me fromn that obviously terrible desire.I would have become as ignorant as you...thank you for your shining example... It's wonderful to hear from a EX-Krishna member. I would hope you could make K see some sense. However he's really is in deep illusion with KC. He actually believes he can convert some members here by his relentless posting. It's good to see the opposite effect happening.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:10:39 GMT -5
i had always wanted to read the entire mahabarata, but you have totally cured me fromn that obviously terrible desire.I would have become as ignorant as you...thank you for your shining example... It's wonderful to hear from a EX-Krishna member. I would hope you could make K see some sense. However he's really is in deep illusion with KC. He actually believes he can convert some members here by his relentless posting. It's good to see the opposite effect happening. I see them as the hindu equivalent of the jehova witnesses. Pointless trying to get them to think otherwise.They have the sole indisputable Truth. They rule with fear and damnation.Boring, and a bit sad.Just more of the same old religion BS. I was not a member for long, but long enough to see how they operate. Long ago, btw, and part of a , with hindsight, fascinating journey along a range of sects and belief systems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:22:33 GMT -5
When I danced with them in, Berlin, I was with 8 or 10 of my U.S. Army bros. We had just closed down a bar and were looking for somewhere to have another beer after smoking a troncho laced with hashish. It was a little after three in the morning when we heard the sound of tambourines on the Kurfurstendarn, which could be likened to Broadway, Sunset Boulevard, or Champs Elysees. We invaded their space on the sidewalk, and danced, and shrilled Hare Krishna. But they didn't have any beer in their Temple, so we continued on with our search for one last beer...... worst hangover I've ever had...... they usually try to give you a book by the Swami," for free ", but once you have it in your hand, they ask a small donation. Their first contact is already a lie. Inside the tempel, not seen or known by outsiders, they have everymorning (like at 0400 am...pfff...), a meeting with all the inhabitants, and there is a competition as to who sold the most books, and loud cheers for the winner...discussion and intelligent questions which might threaten the doctrine are not allowed and followed by sanctions against the individual who perpetrates them. the homeless and mentally disturbed are easy prey for them,for they have free food at the temple...waaay too much sugar... |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 16:47:22 GMT -5
SB 10.2: Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Kṛṣṇa in the Womb
As described in this chapter, when the Supreme Personality of Godhead entered the womb of Devakī to kill Kaṁsa, all the demigods understood that the Lord was living within Devakī’s womb, and therefore in veneration they offered Him the Garbha-stuti prayers.
Kaṁsa, under the protection of his father-in-law, Jarāsandha, and with the help of his demoniac friends like Pralamba, Baka, Cāṇūra, Tṛṇāvarta, Aghāsura, Muṣṭika, Bāṇa and Bhaumāsura, began oppressing the members of the Yadu dynasty. Therefore, the members of the Yadu dynasty left their homes and sought shelter in such states as Kuru, Pañcāla, Kekaya, Śālva and Vidarbha. Only some of them stayed with Kaṁsa, as nominal friends.
After Kaṁsa killed the ṣaḍ-garbhas, the six sons of Devakī, one after another, Anantadeva entered Devakī’s womb and was transferred to the womb of Rohiṇī by the manipulation of Yoga-māyā, who was following the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Lord Himself, who was soon to appear as the eighth son of Devakī, ordered Yoga-māyā to take birth from the womb of Yaśodādevī. Because Kṛṣṇa and His potency, Yoga-māyā, appeared simultaneously as brother and sister, the world is full of Vaiṣṇavas and śāktas, and there is certainly some rivalry between them. Vaiṣṇavas worship the Supreme Lord, whereas śāktas, according to their desires, worship Yoga-māyā in forms like Durgā, Bhadrakālī and Caṇḍikā. Following the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Yoga-māyā transferred Baladeva, Saṅkarṣaṇa, the seventh child of Devakī, from the womb of Devakī to the womb of Rohiṇī. Because Saṅkarṣaṇa appears in order to increase love of Kṛṣṇa, He is known as Baladeva. One may take auspicious strength from Him to become a devotee of the Lord, and therefore He is also known as Balabhadra.
After Yoga-māyā transferred the seventh child of Devakī to the womb of Rohiṇī, the Supreme Personality of Godhead appeared within the heart of Vasudeva and transferred Himself into the heart of Devakī. Because the Lord was present in her heart, Devakī, as her pregnancy continued, appeared effulgent. Upon seeing this effulgence, Kaṁsa was full of anxiety, but he could not harm Devakī because of their family relationship. Thus he began indirectly thinking of Kṛṣṇa and became fully Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Meanwhile, because of the Lord’s presence within the womb of Devakī, all the demigods came to offer the Lord their prayers. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, they said, is eternally the Absolute Truth. The spiritual soul is more important than the gross body, and the Supersoul, Paramātmā, is still more important than the soul. The Supreme Godhead is absolutely independent, and His incarnations are transcendental. The prayers of the demigods glorify and exalt devotees and explain the fate of persons who superficially consider themselves liberated from the conditions of material nature. A devotee is always safe. When a devotee fully surrenders at the lotus feet of the Lord, he is completely liberated from the fear of material existence. By explaining why the Supreme Personality of Godhead descends, the prayers of the demigods clearly confirm the Lord’s statement in Bhagavad-gītā (4.7):
yadā yadā hi dharmasya
glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya
tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham
“Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion — at that time I descend Myself.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 16:54:05 GMT -5
When I danced with them in, Berlin, I was with 8 or 10 of my U.S. Army bros. We had just closed down a bar and were looking for somewhere to have another beer after smoking a troncho laced with hashish. It was a little after three in the morning when we heard the sound of tambourines on the Kurfurstendarn, which could be likened to Broadway, Sunset Boulevard, or Champs Elysees. We invaded their space on the sidewalk, and danced, and shrilled Hare Krishna. But they didn't have any beer in their Temple, so we continued on with our search for one last beer...... worst hangover I've ever had...... they usually try to give you a book by the Swami," for free ", but once you have it in your hand, they ask a small donation. Their first contact is already a lie. Inside the tempel, not seen or known by outsiders, they have everymorning (like at 0400 am...pfff...), a meeting with all the inhabitants, and there is a competition as to who sold the most books, and loud cheers for the winner...discussion and intelligent questions which might threaten the doctrine are not allowed and followed by sanctions against the individual who perpetrates them. the homeless and mentally disturbed are easy prey for them,for they have free food at the temple...waaay too much sugar... Yup sounds about right..all cults work this way and make a whole lot of money doing it. It's a real business like anything else and all is profit as the labor is long and unpaid. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 17:00:19 GMT -5
SB 10.2.1-2 — Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: Under the protection of Magadharāja, Jarāsandha, the powerful Kaṁsa began persecuting the kings of the Yadu dynasty. In this he had the cooperation of demons like Pralamba, Baka, Cāṇūra, Tṛṇāvarta, Aghāsura, Muṣṭika, Ariṣṭa, Dvivida, Pūtanā, Keśī, Dhenuka, Bāṇāsura, Narakāsura and many other demoniac kings on the surface of the earth.
SB 10.2.3 — Persecuted by the demoniac kings, the Yādavas left their own kingdom and entered various others, like those of the Kurus, Pañcālas, Kekayas, Śālvas, Vidarbhas, Niṣadhas, Videhas and Kośalas.
SB 10.2.4-5 — Some of their relatives, however, began to follow Kaṁsa’s principles and act in his service. After Kaṁsa, the son of Ugrasena, killed the six sons of Devakī, a plenary portion of Kṛṣṇa entered her womb as her seventh child, arousing her pleasure and her lamentation. That plenary portion is celebrated by great sages as Ananta, who belongs to Kṛṣṇa’s second quadruple expansion.
SB 10.2.6 — To protect the Yadus, His personal devotees, from Kaṁsa’s attack, the Personality of Godhead, Viśvātmā, the Supreme Soul of everyone, ordered Yoga-māyā as follows.
SB 10.2.7 — The Lord ordered Yoga-māyā: O My potency, who are worshipable for the entire world and whose nature is to bestow good fortune upon all living entities, go to Vraja, where there live many cowherd men and their wives. In that very beautiful land, where many cows reside, Rohiṇī, the wife of Vasudeva, is living at the home of Nanda Mahārāja. Other wives of Vasudeva are also living there incognito because of fear of Kaṁsa. Please go there.
SB 10.2.8 — Within the womb of Devakī is My partial plenary expansion known as Saṅkarṣaṇa or Śeṣa. Without difficulty, transfer Him into the womb of Rohiṇī.
SB 10.2.9 — O all-auspicious Yoga-māyā, I shall then appear with My full six opulences as the son of Devakī, and you will appear as the daughter of mother Yaśodā, the queen of Mahārāja Nanda.
SB 10.2.10 — By sacrifices of animals, ordinary human beings will worship you gorgeously, with various paraphernalia, because you are supreme in fulfilling the material desires of everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 17:15:40 GMT -5
. SB 10.2.10 — By sacrifices of animals, ordinary human beings will worship you gorgeously, with various paraphernalia, because you are supreme in fulfilling the material desires of everyone. said the" friend of all creatures " dude , you murdered a baby, by your own admission, and even had a few sleepless nights over it...that sort of sums up what kinda person projects himself here---not a million quotes from any book are going to wash away that crime...come clean, tell the doctors, tell the parents... Here is some KC for you jimi hendrix called them the best band on the planet, when he saw them at the marquee club |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 17:25:49 GMT -5
SB 10.2.11-12 — Lord Kṛṣṇa blessed Māyādevī by saying: In different places on the surface of the earth, people will give you different names, such as Durgā, Bhadrakālī, Vijayā, Vaiṣṇavī, Kumudā, Caṇḍikā, Kṛṣṇā, Mādhavī, Kanyakā, Māyā, Nārāyaṇī, Īśānī, Śāradā and Ambikā.
SB 10.2.13 — The son of Rohiṇī will also be celebrated as Saṅkarṣaṇa because of being sent from the womb of Devakī to the womb of Rohiṇī. He will be called Rāma because of His ability to please all the inhabitants of Gokula, and He will be known as Balabhadra because of His extensive physical strength.
SB 10.2.14 — Thus instructed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Yoga-māyā immediately agreed. With the Vedic mantra om, she confirmed that she would do what He asked. Thus having accepted the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, she circumambulated Him and started for the place on earth known as Nanda-gokula. There she did everything just as she had been told.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 17:30:07 GMT -5
. SB 10.2.10 — By sacrifices of animals, ordinary human beings will worship you gorgeously, with various paraphernalia, because you are supreme in fulfilling the material desires of everyone. said the" friend of all creatures " dude , you murdered a baby, by your own admission, and even had a few sleepless nights over it...that sort of sums up what kinda person projects himself here---not a million quotes from any book are going to wash away that crime...come clean, tell the doctors, tell the parents... Here is some KC for you jimi hendrix called them the best band on the planet, when he saw them at the marquee club He's blinded. He will admit the baby died, that he should have held her but you see he so brainwashed in thinking this Krishna character is someone forgiving and protecting him while he continues to sin. Hey I sin also and I also take full accountability of my actions. This guy K uses Sex in so many threads, posts a pic of him and his grand daughter and then sits back and enjoys the show he created all under the innocence of Krishna. enough to make one sick. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sad for him and now sick of him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 17:53:51 GMT -5
said the" friend of all creatures " dude , you murdered a baby, by your own admission, and even had a few sleepless nights over it...that sort of sums up what kinda person projects himself here---not a million quotes from any book are going to wash away that crime...come clean, tell the doctors, tell the parents... Here is some KC for you jimi hendrix called them the best band on the planet, when he saw them at the marquee club He's blinded. He will admit the baby died, that he should have held her but you see he so brainwashed in thinking this Krishna character is someone forgiving and protecting him while he continues to sin. Hey I sin also and I also take full accountability of my actions. This guy K uses Sex in so many threads, posts a pic of him and his grand daughter and then sits back and enjoys the show he created all under the innocence of Krishna. enough to make one sick. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sad for him and now sick of him. yes i thought he would like the tune, with its sexual undertones, all by KC, well, his fantasy soapbubble may be about to burst...his mistake is harassing folk here to the extent newcomers think they landed on a HareKrishna site, so that he evokes some action to curtail it. Still wondering about the best way to do that.Police in Cebu?, facebook?,local hospital...and am still ploughing through his posts to get more info on him... i was just passing here, but when i saw his posts i thought,I´d stay a bit to share some inside information...i´d be glad to derail a HK slave... Allahu Akbar !! (just kidding).. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 18:09:59 GMT -5
SB 10.2.15 — When the child of Devakī was attracted and transferred into the womb of Rohiṇī by Yoga-māyā, Devakī seemed to have a miscarriage. Thus all the inhabitants of the palace loudly lamented, “Alas, Devakī has lost her child!”
SB 10.2.16 — Thus the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the Supersoul of all living entities and who vanquishes all the fear of His devotees, entered the mind of Vasudeva in full opulence.
SB 10.2.17 — While carrying the form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead within the core of his heart, Vasudeva bore the Lord’s transcendentally illuminating effulgence, and thus he became as bright as the sun. He was therefore very difficult to see or approach through sensory perception. Indeed, he was unapproachable and unperceivable even for such formidable men as Kaṁsa, and not only for Kaṁsa but for all living entities.
SB 10.2.18 — Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devakī. Devakī, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Kṛṣṇa, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 18:16:26 GMT -5
SB 10.2.15 —blablabla blablablabla,i am a murderer....blalabalabaaaaaaaaaaa SB 10.2.16 — blablablablabla SB 10.2.17 — blablablablablablablablablaaaaaaaaaaaaa SB 10.2.18 — blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaharekrishnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 18:23:24 GMT -5
SB 10.2.19 — Devakī then kept within herself the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the cause of all causes, the foundation of the entire cosmos, but because she was under arrest in the house of Kaṁsa, she was like the flames of a fire covered by the walls of a pot, or like a person who has knowledge but cannot distribute it to the world for the benefit of human society.
SB 10.2.20 — Because the Supreme Personality of Godhead was within her womb, Devakī illuminated the entire atmosphere in the place where she was confined. Seeing her jubilant, pure and smiling, Kaṁsa thought, “The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu, who is now within her, will kill me. Devakī has never before looked so brilliant and jubilant.”
SB 10.2.21 — Kaṁsa thought: What is my duty now? The Supreme Lord, who knows His purpose will not give up His prowess. Devakī is a woman, she is my sister, and moreover she is now pregnant. If I kill her, my reputation, opulence and duration of life will certainly be vanquished.
SB 10.2.22 — A person who is very cruel is regarded as dead even while living, for while he is living or after his death, everyone condemns him. And after the death of a person in the bodily concept of life, he is undoubtedly transferred to the hell known as Andhatama.
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 6, 2017 18:48:06 GMT -5
SB 10.2.23 — Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: Deliberating in this way, Kaṁsa, although determined to continue in enmity toward the Supreme Personality of Godhead, refrained from the vicious killing of his sister. He decided to wait until the Lord was born and then do what was needed.
SB 10.2.24 — While sitting on his throne or in his sitting room, while lying on his bed, or, indeed, while situated anywhere, and while eating, sleeping or walking, Kaṁsa saw only his enemy, the Supreme Lord, Hṛṣīkeśa. In other words, by thinking of his all-pervading enemy, Kaṁsa became unfavorably Kṛṣṇa conscious.
SB 10.2.25 — Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, accompanied by great sages like Nārada, Devala and Vyāsa and by other demigods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, invisibly approached the room of Devakī, where they all joined in offering their respectful obeisances and prayers to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who can bestow blessings upon everyone.
SB 10.2.26 — The demigods prayed: O Lord, You never deviate from Your vow, which is always perfect because whatever You decide is perfectly correct and cannot be stopped by anyone. Being present in the three phases of cosmic manifestation — creation, maintenance and annihilation — You are the Supreme Truth. Indeed, unless one is completely truthful, one cannot achieve Your favor, which therefore cannot be achieved by hypocrites. You are the active principle, the real truth, in all the ingredients of creation, and therefore You are known as antaryāmī, the inner force. You are equal to everyone, and Your instructions apply for everyone, for all time. You are the beginning of all truth. Therefore, offering our obeisances, we surrender unto You. Kindly give us protection.
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