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Post by zendancer on Dec 12, 2016 12:20:43 GMT -5
Before your mother and father were born what was your original face?
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Post by zendancer on Dec 12, 2016 12:26:54 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here."
Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death."
Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 12:37:40 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here." Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death." Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was?Because Joshu was enlightened. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 12:41:30 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here." Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death." Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was?Because Joshu was enlightened. This is excellent answer! I don't know whether you are correct or wrong, but you think very sharply. |
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Post by zendancer on Dec 12, 2016 12:45:00 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here." Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death." Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was?Because Joshu was enlightened. Nope. If you think you have the right answer, PM Steven or me. Please don't post an answer here because this is a formal koan. It's one that's regularly used in koan "study." |
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Post by zendancer on Dec 12, 2016 12:45:46 GMT -5
Because Joshu was enlightened. This is excellent answer! I don't know whether you are correct or wrong, but you think very sharply. Thinking is the last thing that's needed here. The goal is to answer instantly before thinking can be engaged. Something other than thinking is required. |
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Post by zendancer on Dec 12, 2016 12:47:58 GMT -5
If any correct answers to formal koans get posted here, they'll be deleted. Wrong answers will not be deleted because wrong answers won't offer any help. FWIW, there are an infinite number of possible wrong answers to any koan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 13:02:20 GMT -5
This is excellent answer! I don't know whether you are correct or wrong, but you think very sharply. Thinking is the last thing that's needed here. The goal is to answer instantly before thinking can be engaged. Something other than thinking is required. ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 13:03:35 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here." Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death." Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was? This question is very interesting. Will you tell me what's the answer? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 14:06:05 GMT -5
Before your mother and father were born what was your original face? Sounds like it came from Banki(sp?) speaking about the unborn? nice one |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 14:08:55 GMT -5
A Zen student told Ummon: "Brilliancy of Buddha illuminates the whole universe."
Before he finished the phrase Ummon asked: "You are reciting another's poem, are you not?"
"Yes," answered the student.
"You are sidetracked," said Ummon.
Afterwards another teacher, Shishin, asked his pupils: "At what point did that student go off the track?"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 14:12:12 GMT -5
Joshu heard about a monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, but found him sitting in meditation. He walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "The water is much too shallow to anchor here." Later, Joshu heard of another monk who was supposedly enlightened. He went to see the monk, and found him sitting in meditation. Joshu walked 100 feet past the monk, then retraced his steps, and asked, "What is the truth?" The monk silently raised his right fist. Joshu responded, "Ahh, you have the power to give or take away life and death." Both monks responded to the same question in exactly the same way. How did Joshu know that the first monk was NOT enlightened and that the second monk was? I may have it sent a pm..thanks |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 14:13:07 GMT -5
Hyakujo wished to send a monk to open a new monastery. He told his pupils that whoever answered a question most ably would be appointed. Placing a water vase on the ground, he asked: "Who can say what this is without calling its name?"
The chief monk said: "No one can call it a wooden shoe."
Isan, the cooking monk, tipped over the vase with his foot and went out.
Hyakujo smiled and said: "The chief monk loses." And Isan became the master of the new monastery
What did the cook Isan add to the recipe?
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 14:32:52 GMT -5
Daibai asked Baso: "What is Buddha?"
Baso said: "This mind is Buddha."
Later, another monk asked Baso: "What is Buddha?"
Baso said: "This mind is not Buddha."
What do you know with certainty about this this exchange?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 14:33:42 GMT -5
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