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Dec 21, 2023 13:14:29 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 21, 2023 13:14:29 GMT -5
Thanks for running some quotes down. Glad to see potential pointers of interest. I'll get to your posts, and will be curious as to what they say to/about you. |
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Dec 22, 2023 7:26:00 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 7:26:00 GMT -5
“Other people are likely not to be aware that those who pursue philosophy aright study nothing but dying and being dead. Now if this is true, it would be absurd to be eager for nothing but this all their lives, and then to be troubled when that came for which they had all along been eagerly practicing.” ~ Plato“If You Die Before You Die Then You Won’t Die When You Die.” ~ Above gateway of Orthodox Christian monastery on Mt. AthosThe first sounds like Socrates (delivered by Plato, so the attribution is accurate). Many of his students urged him to escape. He said [his Demon in the past had shown him what not to do (not what to do)], my Daemon is not stopping me from drinking the hemlock, insert quote above, so I'm drinking the hemlock. Daemon wasn't a nasty word, then, today some might say spirit guide, or it could be inavalan's inner guidance or intuition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crito [excerpts from the Wiki article] In Crito, Socrates believes injustice may not be answered with injustice, personifies the Laws of Athens to prove this, and refuses Crito's offer to finance his escape from prison. The dialogue contains an ancient statement of the social contract theory of government. In contemporary discussions, the meaning of Crito is debated to determine whether it is a plea for unconditional obedience to the laws of a society. The text is one of the few Platonic dialogues that appear to be unaffected by Plato's opinions on the matter; it is dated to have been written around the same time as the Apology. Crito, which may be based on a historical event, is thought to have been published in 399 BCE. Since his trial in Apology, Socrates had been imprisoned for four weeks and will be executed in a matter of days. Socrates and Crito are the only characters in the story. Crito was a rich Athenian who like Socrates was from deme of Alopece. Once Socrates was charged with corrupting the youth and impiety, Crito unsuccessfully vouched to pay his bail.[2] To spare him the prison sentence after Socrates was sentenced to death, Crito was ready to pledge to the court that Socrates would not flee, a plea that was ultimately rejected.[3] Through both the trial and the execution, Crito was present.[4] In other dialogues, Crito is portrayed as a conventional Athenian who could not understand Socrates' philosophy despite his attempts to do so.[4] unlike many of Plato's potential works, Crito is widely considered to be a genuine dialogue. In the early morning, before visitors may arrive to meet with prisoners, Crito arrives at Socrates' cell and bribes the guard for entry. Once inside, he sits beside Socrates until he wakes up.[14] Upon waking, Socrates remarks that Crito arrived early. Crito expresses concern at Socrates' relaxed attitude to his upcoming execution. Socrates responds that he is almost 70 years old and that to be scared of death would be inappropriate.[15] Crito has come to see Socrates because he has learned his execution will take place the next day, and wishes to rescue his friend. Crito planned to bribe all of the guards who are part of the execution and assures Socrates he has enough money to see the plan through and that he has additional friends who are also willing to pay. After being rescued from prison, Socrates would be taken to a home in Thessaly, where Crito and his friends would be pleased to house and feed him.[16] According to Socrates, damage to the soul in the form of injustice makes life worthless for a philosopher in the same way life for a person who has injured himself out of incompetence is pointless. A person's goal should be to live a virtuous and just life rather than a long one, thus escape from the prison would rely on a discussion on justice.[21] According to the Laws, if Socrates had accepted Crito's offer, he would have exposed his accomplices to the risk of fleeing or losing their assets. As a fugitive in a well-established state, Socrates would be suspicious of good citizens because he would be suspected of violating the laws in his place of exile. He would have to be content with a region like Thessaly, which was chaotic and disorganised, and where he could only entertain crowds with the story of his unjust escape. As a philosopher who had become unfaithful to his principles, he would be discredited and would have to give up his previous life content and his sense of life would only be through food. [27] In conclusion, if Socrates accepts his execution, he will be wronged by men rather than the law, remaining just. If he takes Crito's advice and escapes, Socrates would wrong the laws and betray his lifelong pursuit of justice.[28] After completing the imaginary plea of the Laws, Socrates claims he was chained to the laws as a dancer is to flute music and asks Crito to rebuff him if he wishes. Crito has no objections. Before Crito leaves, Socrates refers to the divine guidance he hopes to be helped by.[29] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Socrates was basically saying, this is a no-brainer, time to die. (I was looking for the quote-in-context, got sidetracked). To follow Crito's escape plan would be to deny his whole life of philosophy and everything he had taught, a fate worse than death. Right, Socrates did not write anything down, so it is always filtered through Plato. I agree with your assessment of the daemon as being akin to Inavalan's inner guidance/intuition. It was common in Greece to 'identify' with certain gods that were in rotation during their time, much like folks do in India. In a way, that's kinda snorta how I see most people's general depth of understanding of the Jesus, though it's typically much more of a learned mental-moral model, than an intuitive one. If I get further into it, I suspect I'll find that the Roman Catholic Church's (RCC) later interest in Aristotle (via Islamic texts/applications, maybe) coupled with monarchical dictates and conspiring with the productive rise in worldly power of the sciences contributed to the emphasis on moral code that (has) dominated since toward the end of the Middle Ages. I am NOT saying that there aren't those within the structured RCC that broke through or that there's no value in it, just that 'insights' were somewhat controlled and/or pronouncements needing to adhere to doctrine (i.e, a certain indoctrination of society). The story of the inquisition of Meister Eckhart (ME) by the RCC under Pope John XXII is another example of what became of Socrates. ME's innocence/orthodoxy is still questioned in the RCC (not in the Dominican order) to this day. Plus, being that he died in the process of defending his depth of realization, we didn't get a full understanding of what he might have been pointing to. The inquisition must have been stressful, so can imagine it contributing to that storied outcome and the mystery that surrounds it. It's a familiar story even to this day, if you know what I mean.  "We (the Dominicans) tried to have the censure lifted on Eckhart ... and were told that there was really no need since he had never been condemned by name, just some propositions which he was supposed to have held, and so we are perfectly free to say that he is a good and orthodox theologian. Professor Winfried Trusen of Würzburg, a correspondent of Radcliffe, wrote in a defence of Eckhart to Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), stating, "Only 28 propositions were censured, but they were taken out of their context and impossible to verify, since there were no manuscripts in Avignon." Even today (this month) the RCC still keeps a relatively tight leash on things with respect to doctrine as found in Vatican Eases Rules on Preserving Cremation Ashes. "The new instructions allow families to keep a small portion of ashes in a place that has meaning for the deceased “provided that every type of pantheistic, naturalistic, or nihilistic misunderstanding is ruled out.” In keeping with the 2016 rules, the remaining ashes had to be kept in a sacred place, the doctrinal office said, according to a note posted on the Vatican’s website. The new rules also allow ashes to be mixed in a common urn as long as the identity of each deceased person is marked “so as not to lose the memory of their names.” The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church teaches that the “bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection,,,” Interesting. |
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Dec 22, 2023 7:39:25 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 7:39:25 GMT -5
“I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.” ― Socrates, Apology, Crito And Phaedo Of Socrates. So, do you really know anything, SDP? That is what the search for Truth is all about, after all. At some point, the seeker may stop in their tracks, <poof>.....Here and Now. Clarity. Mind steps in, spins up a number of cause-effects, and the me goes on thinking, in awe of some memory of something that occurr ed or happen ed. The me-dream in the here and now confused within the Here and Now, perfectly so. |
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Dec 22, 2023 7:46:57 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 7:46:57 GMT -5
“Suppose... that you acquit me... Suppose that, in view of this, you said to me 'Socrates, on this occasion we shall disregard Anytus and acquit you, but only on one condition, that you give up spending your time on this quest and stop philosophizing. If we catch you going on in the same way, you shall be put to death.' Well, supposing, as I said, that you should offer to acquit me on these terms, I should reply 'Gentlemen, I am your very grateful and devoted servant, but I owe a greater obedience to God than to you; and so long as I draw breath and have my faculties, I shall never stop practicing philosophy and exhorting you and elucidating the truth for everyone that I meet. I shall go on saying, in my usual way, "My very good friend, you are an Athenian and belong to a city which is the greatest and most famous in the world for its wisdom and strength. Are you not ashamed that you give your attention to acquiring as much money as possible, and similarly with reputation and honour, and give no attention or thought to truth and understanding and the perfection of your soul?" And if any of you disputes this and professes to care about these things, I shall not at once let him go or leave him; no, I shall question him and examine him and test him; and if it appears that in spite of his profession he has made no real progress towards goodness, I shall reprove him for neglecting what is of supreme importance, and giving his attention to trivialities. I shall do this to everyone that I meet, young or old, foreigner or fellow-citizen; but especially to you my fellow-citizens, inasmuch as you are closer to me in kinship. This, I do assure you, is what my God commands; and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city than my service to my God; for I spend all my time going about trying to persuade you, young and old, to make your first and chief concern not for your bodies nor for your possessions, but for the highest welfare of your souls, proclaiming as I go 'Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and to the State.' ...And so, gentlemen, I would say, 'You can please yourselves whether you listen to Anytus or not, and whether you acquit me or not; you know that I am not going to alter my conduct, not even if I have to die a hundred deaths.” ― Socrates, Apology, Crito And Phaedo Of Socrates. So, the Athenians/populace banned Socrates, the gadfly, not just from the city, but from life. A recurrent theme, familiar throughout history, if ya know what I mean. |
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Dec 22, 2023 8:02:47 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2023 8:02:47 GMT -5
“I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.” ― Socrates, Apology, Crito And Phaedo Of Socrates. That is what the search for Truth is all about, after all. At some point, the seeker may stop in their tracks, <poof>.....Here and Now. Clarity. Mind steps in, spins up a number of cause-effects, and the me goes on thinking, in awe of some memory of something that occurr ed or happen ed. The me-dream in the here and now confused within the Here and Now, perfectly so. . I regularly stood before a 4 gang box about waste high with a dozen or more wires hanging out, skinned out to expose about 40 individual wires. About once a month someone would ask me, do you know what you're doing? It was a little annoying, so I thought of an answer, for next time. I just kept working and said: I know enough to get a paycheck every week. No. I know I know nothing. Words kind of end there, at that. But you have to start from somewhere. And, or, but: "You Have to Say Something" Dainin Katagiri I'm sure you've been in a mall or a city with a city map on a large board. Always necessary, where it says: You Are here. I'm from the country. It's funny to see someone ask for directions, and the local guy pauses, considers, and then says: You can't get there from here. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 8:13:26 GMT -5
“Other people are likely not to be aware that those who pursue philosophy aright study nothing but dying and being dead. Now if this is true, it would be absurd to be eager for nothing but this all their lives, and then to be troubled when that came for which they had all along been eagerly practicing.” ~ Plato, in Phaedo“If You Die Before You Die Then You Won’t Die When You Die.” ~ Above gateway of Orthodox Christian monastery on Mt. Athos. Plat. Phaedo 64 [64a] when he is to die, and has strong hopes that when he is dead he will attain the greatest blessings in that other land. So I will try to tell you, Simmias, and Cebes, how this would be. “Other people are likely not to be aware that those who pursue philosophy aright study nothing but dying and being dead. Now if this is true, it would be absurd to be eager for nothing but this all their lives, and then to be troubled when that came for which they had all along been eagerly practicing.”And Simmias laughed and said, “ By Zeus, [64b] Socrates, I don't feel much like laughing just now, but you made me laugh. For I think the multitude, if they heard what you just said about the philosophers, would say you were quite right, and our people at home would agree entirely with you that philosophers desire death, and they would add that they know very well that the philosophers deserve it.” “And they would be speaking the truth, Simmias, except in the matter of knowing very well. For they do not know in what way the real philosophers desire death, nor in what way they deserve death, nor what kind of a death it is. [64c] Let us then,” said he, “speak with one another, paying no further attention to them. Do we think there is such a thing as death?” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cliff NotesWith reference to the trial and death of Socrates, there are four dialogs that are especially relevant. They are the Euthyphro, the Apology, the Crito, and the Phaedo. The Phaedo is a narrative concerning the last hours in the life of Socrates. After an interval of years, the story is related to Echecrates by Phaedo, who was one of Socrates' beloved disciples. The narration takes place at Phlius, which is the home of Phaedo. The scene of the story is the prison where Socrates is held. Phaedo is one of a number of friends who have gathered for their last meeting with Socrates. Much of the discussion that takes place has to do with Socrates' attitude toward death, including his reasons for believing in the immortality of the soul. Are you (or Inavalan) open to the possibility that there's a realization beyond a limited conception of the soul/daemon? There's no need to answer, but don't be too surprised or get to defensive if somenoone points to the concept as limited, and see if the impersonal intuition can fillet the belief a wittle more. The depth of learned facts and concepts found in quotes can only go so far in their value for life contexts. Yes, the intuition can lead one into the darker recesses. But in the context of ND realization, it's the life of the self that is hanging in the balance, not immortality. For the self, the darker recesses can be scary, so it draws on the mind's spin resources to rationalize, obfuscate, deflect, and otherwise defend not needing to. Society generally supports that. Tadaaaa. |
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Dec 22, 2023 8:26:21 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 8:26:21 GMT -5
So, do you really know anything, SDP? That is what the search for Truth is all about, after all. At some point, the seeker may stop in their tracks, <poof>.....Here and Now. Clarity. Mind steps in, spins up a number of cause-effects, and the me goes on thinking, in awe of some memory of something that occurr ed or happen ed. The me-dream in the here and now confused within the Here and Now, perfectly so. . I regularly stood before a 4 gang box about waste high with a dozen or more wires hanging out, skinned out to expose about 40 individual wires. About once a month someone would ask me, do you know what you're doing? It was a little annoying, so I thought of an answer, for next time. I just kept working and said: I know enough to get a paycheck every week. No. I know I know nothing. Words kind of end there, at that. 1) But you have to start from somewhere. And, or, but: "You Have to Say Something" Dainin Katagiri I'm sure you've been in a mall or a city with a city map on a large board. Always necessary, where it says: You Are here. I'm from the country. It's funny to see someone ask for directions, and the local guy pauses, considers, and then says: 2) You can't get there from here. Good stuff! 1- Which 'you' are you referring to? YOU are already Here, before 'you' starts searching, but you seem to think/know you need to start somewhere....? 2- As a non-local someNothing, one might say, you can't get HERE from there. At which point, only mind protests. That is Known. As such, the mind is a more useful tool in worldly matters, not dragged down and imprisoned by its imagined otherworldly chains and confines. |
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Dec 22, 2023 10:59:12 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2023 10:59:12 GMT -5
Found it. Plat. Phaedo 64 [64a] when he is to die, and has strong hopes that when he is dead he will attain the greatest blessings in that other land. So I will try to tell you, Simmias, and Cebes, how this would be. “Other people are likely not to be aware that those who pursue philosophy aright study nothing but dying and being dead. Now if this is true, it would be absurd to be eager for nothing but this all their lives, and then to be troubled when that came for which they had all along been eagerly practicing.”And Simmias laughed and said, “ By Zeus, [64b] Socrates, I don't feel much like laughing just now, but you made me laugh. For I think the multitude, if they heard what you just said about the philosophers, would say you were quite right, and our people at home would agree entirely with you that philosophers desire death, and they would add that they know very well that the philosophers deserve it.” “And they would be speaking the truth, Simmias, except in the matter of knowing very well. For they do not know in what way the real philosophers desire death, nor in what way they deserve death, nor what kind of a death it is. [64c] Let us then,” said he, “speak with one another, paying no further attention to them. Do we think there is such a thing as death?” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cliff NotesWith reference to the trial and death of Socrates, there are four dialogs that are especially relevant. They are the Euthyphro, the Apology, the Crito, and the Phaedo. The Phaedo is a narrative concerning the last hours in the life of Socrates. After an interval of years, the story is related to Echecrates by Phaedo, who was one of Socrates' beloved disciples. The narration takes place at Phlius, which is the home of Phaedo. The scene of the story is the prison where Socrates is held. Phaedo is one of a number of friends who have gathered for their last meeting with Socrates. Much of the discussion that takes place has to do with Socrates' attitude toward death, including his reasons for believing in the immortality of the soul. Are you (or Inavalan) open to the possibility that there's a realization beyond a limited conception of the soul/daemon? There's no need to answer, but don't be too surprised or get to defensive if somenoone points to the concept as limited, and see if the impersonal intuition can fillet the belief a wittle more. The depth of learned facts and concepts found in quotes can only go so far in their value for life contexts. Yes, the intuition can lead one into the darker recesses. But in the context of ND realization, it's the life of the self that is hanging in the balance, not immortality. For the self, the darker recesses can be scary, so it draws on the mind's spin resources to rationalize, obfuscate, deflect, and otherwise defend not needing to. Society generally supports that. Tadaaaa. , I just wouldn't call it realization. |
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Dec 22, 2023 12:04:58 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 12:04:58 GMT -5
Are you (or Inavalan) open to the possibility that there's a realization beyond a limited conception of the soul/daemon? There's no need to answer, but don't be too surprised or get to defensive if somenoone points to the concept as limited, and see if the impersonal intuition can fillet the belief a wittle more. The depth of learned facts and concepts found in quotes can only go so far in their value for life contexts. Yes, the intuition can lead one into the darker recesses. But in the context of ND realization, it's the life of the self that is hanging in the balance, not immortality. For the self, the darker recesses can be scary, so it draws on the mind's spin resources to rationalize, obfuscate, deflect, and otherwise defend not needing to. Society generally supports that. Tadaaaa. , I just wouldn't call it realization. That's fine and good. What would you call and define it as, then, in juxtaposition to 'realization', since it's something being spoken of/about? |
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Dec 22, 2023 14:51:08 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2023 14:51:08 GMT -5
Indubitably, I just wouldn't call it realization. That's fine and good. What would you call and define it as, then, in juxtaposition to 'realization', since it's something being spoken of/about? You [ND] guys seem to talk about an impassible gap between the fundamental Source and this world (look around). This compares to a [Middle Ages] mystical writing by an anonymous source called the cloud of unknowing. He (we presume) said there will always be this cloud of unknowing, a barrier to knowing God, fully. OK, you are there on the other end of the internet-world. ~You~ (a time-space being) have had a Realization concerning (probably not the best word) Source. So the time-space being had a Realization-Source, but ATST still-lives in time-&-space. Now, from ~my~ perspective, sdp has his origin in Source. That origin is clouded by a space-time ~mask~. Now ~you~ seem to say the space-time individual can NEVER come-to-understand Source (even despite ND SR-TR). You've all said it in different ways. You seem to be saying when sdp has this ND SR-TR, I will just give up this wish to *experience*-Source. Without getting more complicated, sdp says NEVER. As the Origin of the individual [not the space-time mask], *"~I~"* say it's possible to ~take-in~ more and more of the ________ between Origin-"sdp" (again, not space-time sdp), and that's what the evolution of consciousness IS. sdp would NEVER ~be happy~ with a ND SR-TR. The Origin-of-sdp (not-the-mask) is a seed, and the-way-back to Source is the germination and growth of the seed. I don't think I can make that clearer. ND SR-TR seems to promote, just give up dude, you'll never understand (that's what SR-TR IS). And just to be clearer, the space-time sdp mask understands hesheit will never understand, is a dead end to understanding. And, whatever Origin-seed-sdp understands, comes to understand, can never be communicated, in any gnosis way whatsoever, only as a "map", back-to any-other space-time-mask-person. We just have two different views of the nature of "three-brained-beings", on Earth, human beings. ~You~ say [ZD says] the individual is the Whole, being a being. My view is the individual is a seed, kind-of-sent-on-a-mission to express the creativity of Source. Any-one-individual can find expression of the seed, by taking-in- more-of-All-That-Is (but not apart from All That Is), or can become a couch-potato. These are the two movements. Any-One has no choice, until they choose to give expression to the seed they- are. This is not so easy to achieve. And to (NDly) say nothing can be done, doesn't help. I would want nothing more than to be proved wrong (in ND SR-TR), if sdp is wrong. You-(un-suz) however consider that you- can't-be-wrong. I have no problem with that, as it's not my problem. And just to be clear, what doesn't seem to be clear, I spend significant time outside the sdp-space-time-mask, as it doesn't require time (extra time). |
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Dec 22, 2023 15:59:29 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 22, 2023 15:59:29 GMT -5
That's fine and good. What would you call and define it as, then, in juxtaposition to 'realization', since it's something being spoken of/about? This compares to a [Middle Ages] mystical writing by an anonymous source called the cloud of unknowing. He (we presume) said there will always be this cloud of unknowing, a barrier to knowing God, fully. OK, you are there on the other end of the internet-world. ~You~ (a time-space being) have had a Realization concerning (probably not the best word) Source. So the time-space being had a Realization-Source, but ATST still-lives in time-&-space. Now, from ~my~ perspective, sdp has his origin in Source. That origin is clouded by a space-time ~mask~. Now ~you~ seem to say the space-time individual can NEVER come-to-understand Source (even despite ND SR-TR). You've all said it in different ways. You seem to be saying when sdp has this ND SR-TR, I will just give up this wish to *experience*-Source. Without getting more complicated, sdp says NEVER. As the Origin of the individual [not the space-time mask], *"~I~"* say it's possible to ~take-in~ more and more of the ________ between Origin-"sdp" (again, not space-time sdp), and that's what the evolution of consciousness IS. sdp would NEVER ~be happy~ with a ND SR-TR. The Origin-of-sdp (not-the-mask) is a seed, and the-way-back to Source is the germination and growth of the seed. I don't think I can make that clearer. ND SR-TR seems to promote, just give up dude, you'll never understand (that's what SR-TR IS). And just to be clearer, the space-time sdp mask understands hesheit will never understand, is a dead end to understanding. And, whatever Origin-seed-sdp understands, comes to understand, can never be communicated, in any gnosis way whatsoever, only as a "map", back-to any-other space-time-mask-person. We just have two different views of the nature of "three-brained-beings", on Earth, human beings. ~You~ say [ZD says] the individual is the Whole, being a being. My view is the individual is a seed, kind-of-sent-on-a-mission to express the creativity of Source. Any-one-individual can find expression of the seed, by taking-in- more-of-All-That-Is (but not apart from All That Is), or can become a couch-potato. These are the two movements. Any-One has no choice, until they choose to give expression to the seed they- are. This is not so easy to achieve. And to (NDly) say nothing can be done, doesn't help. I would want nothing more than to be proved wrong (in ND SR-TR), if sdp is wrong. You-(un-suz) however consider that you- can't-be-wrong. I have no problem with that, as it's not my problem. And just to be clear, what doesn't seem to be clear, I spend significant time outside the sdp-space-time-mask, as it doesn't require time (extra time). I'll refrain from answering until you ask. It sounds like you've made up your mind, and I'm not here to mess it up or say you can't think whatever you want. You're free already, of course. Plus, you assume you already know what will be said, have them categorized in your mind, and are ready to counter everything with a mixed armada of common sense ideas and choice variety of mystical ones. It's All Good, man. |
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Dec 26, 2023 2:16:13 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Dec 26, 2023 2:16:13 GMT -5
"People neglect the reality of the 'illusory' world."
— Huang Po
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Dec 26, 2023 2:46:01 GMT -5
Post by inavalan on Dec 26, 2023 2:46:01 GMT -5
"People neglect the reality of the 'illusory' world." — Huang Po
Also, don't neglect the illusion of a 'real' world!  Walking a tightrope ... |
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Dec 26, 2023 9:09:25 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2023 9:09:25 GMT -5
"People neglect the reality of the 'illusory' world." — Huang Po
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Dec 26, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -5
"People neglect the reality of the 'illusory' world." — Huang Po
Also, don't neglect the illusion of a 'real' world! Walking a tightrope ... As silence walks off the stage backwards slowly The audience winces On struts the impressario A bright blue midnight flower in his lapel An eternity in his hip pocket Is his smile a guise? Is it love or fear that drives him? If he were to offer his son On that stage If he were to stand behind his only flesh and blood On the edge of a precipice Ready to shove Would it be to appease? To hide the heart behind the smile? Or would it be to submit? How could you know? If the roof of the stage were to suddenly raise just at that moment on the precipice just at that moment if a howling wind were to tear every stich from the impressario's skin Would you see it as justice? A comeuppance? If he were to stand there naked looking upward asking "why?" Would you answer? At the edge of the constant precipice the balancing act must be effortless A shift by the will works only until attention can slip in the breathlessness Fickle's the point of our focus but only until we do notice even in moment held lightly the thiefs hand need move only slightly But any fall lasts only as long as we are bemused by that tangled song distractions sound and the spinning around fade back into silence from whence they did sound The notes of the song can come sweetly beckoning toward slumber completely leave the good with the bad so that space might be had and the edge balanced ever repeatedly Leave any notion of progress or motion of anything to be attained, At the base of the road take a breath and unload throw the maps and the nets to the rain. Smile at the thought that a fall might be caught there's no price to a moment no thing to be bought Instead let the play spin in gentleness dissolution arrives with relentlessness. No wisdom or lore it all falls by the shore, of a vision fixed ever on endlessness |
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