Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 6, 2022 13:53:34 GMT -5
I edited this, the OP, down for laughter, the pertinent information. I think this is pretty clear. Any efforts by the Imaginary I/cultural self/conditioned self are insignificant, and they merely happen, there is no doing (see below). Only certain conscious efforts using attention and/or awareness, specifically delineated, lead to actual permanent significant change, the caterpillar becoming a butterfly. But of course you will always try to fit my view into your view. The Give and Take thread is attempting to go into this a little further. Only attention and awareness concern real doing, never thinking, never feelings/emotions, never bodily actions and never sensations.
Becoming more conscious, similarly, requires certain effort, but conscious efforts. One cannot become more conscious, passively. Awakening requires a certain quantity of a certain quality of energy, and this energy cannot be come by, passively. The energy of awakening can be accumulated, but if conscious efforts, which concern the use of attention and awareness, cease, the energy will leak away, like the flow of the balls ceasing when one stops juggling.
Working with attention saves energy, by working with awareness, one creates this finer quality of energy and likewise saves it.
....... Almost everything I have ever posted here on ST's relates in some manner to this information (the OP). So this is my view in a nutshell. Basically, any ordinary effort, that by ego/imaginary self, is a mechanical effort and is non-volitional. Conscious efforts, obviously and by definition, cannot occur unconsciously, that is, resulting from habit, conditioning or through ego/imaginary self.
This thread has been considered for a few days, and finally comes as a response to a post by wren, June 29, 4:42 PM, sdp seems to be a lot clearer in his view the last month or so.
Becoming more conscious, similarly, requires certain effort, but conscious efforts. One cannot become more conscious, passively. Awakening requires a certain quantity of a certain quality of energy, and this energy cannot be come by, passively. The energy of awakening can be accumulated, but if conscious efforts, which concern the use of attention and awareness, cease, the energy will leak away, like the flow of the balls ceasing when one stops juggling.
Working with attention saves energy, by working with awareness, one creates this finer quality of energy and likewise saves it.
....... Almost everything I have ever posted here on ST's relates in some manner to this information (the OP). So this is my view in a nutshell. Basically, any ordinary effort, that by ego/imaginary self, is a mechanical effort and is non-volitional. Conscious efforts, obviously and by definition, cannot occur unconsciously, that is, resulting from habit, conditioning or through ego/imaginary self.