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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 12:10:26 GMT -5
"The same dualistic peace"? Whaaaaaaaaaat??? Please 'splain dat to I and I? You don't know what I mean by dualistic feeling? Happy/sad, peace/turmoil, love/hate? Yes I do know what you mean by that. And I say that there is no such thing as "a dualistic feeling"...like at all. Feelings are just indicators for actions, if one is not a total ..... you name it. Nothing dualistic about them. |
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 12:12:20 GMT -5
"No, nobody is or all are! Don't think youself as being "above" the regular crowd, Stardust, just because you read some stuff and now believe in some dominant/submissive kind of pig-poo, invented by your brand of "truth" as being better(erer) than anybody elses poo-poo." - (Some dude who brought the ennagramm to westerers) always think the whole issue is about feeling superior. Who are you refering to, Enigma? |
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 12:20:51 GMT -5
Indeed, Enigma. And what's wrong about Socrates, "waxing on" about everything? In your "humble" perception? Please 'splain to I and I. Where did I say there was something wrong about it? Please pay attention. Call it an exercise in mindfulness. Apply that advice to yourself and we're done, Enigma. |
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Post by preciocho on Aug 22, 2016 12:36:50 GMT -5
Well on sages, and considering I've been a bit lacking on the substantive end around here, I wanted to give a note about Mooji. I became interested in the idea of self reflective telemetry and the spirit world. What's exactly is going on in the sleep state? Well anyway, Mooji came to me in a vision a couple weeks ago. I was in somewhat of a bind, and he gave me an indicator of an open avenue for value adding expression.
In the vision, he told me I have two angels with me, one of which was a little girl in the barrio, although perhaps it might point closer to say a light energy behind her. He specifically said, 'You're going to talk to her'.
I woke up, and said, well that ain't gonna happen cuz I ain't talking to her. Another wacky vision. But in the meantime started writing on collective engine stuff and before I know it a couple weeks pass and I find myself in this girls house. I only ended up there because Yadira fled in the interim, and was sleeping there.
Nevertheless, I found myself in the middle of a conversation with the little girl about Yadira and I, and at that exact moment saw the open avenue. Then just today I watched a Mooji vid, and saw either the "Ohm" or whatever that squiggly line is next to a picture of Maharshi, and in my room there is a giant painting of the planets and a circular object in the middle with the same symbol (someone else put the painting here, not me).
Anyway, it was at that point when a channel opened to talk about what exactly an angel is, and how the light of consciousness reflects back to itself through pockets of darkness. The Self took form as Mooji in a dream. You'd probably like the tech analysis but I think angels and demons are really interesting stuff, and that ultimately speaking there was a subconscious logical sequence where my mind was already two steps ahead of itself but couldn't get 'there' (which ironically is always 'here') without first working through some emotional blockages. Then we can contextualize a universal mind and the potential for networking through creatures.
Heh, a vision of Mooji that takes the attention deeper into Mr Mind is amusing and an oxymoron. What's amusing is that you think commenting on someone's writing when you have no apparent interest in what was written is somehow not Mr. Mind. |
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 12:40:18 GMT -5
Heh, a vision of Mooji that takes the attention deeper into Mr Mind is amusing and an oxymoron. What's amusing is that you think commenting on someone's writing when you have no apparent interest in what was written is somehow not Mr. Mind. You're a writer. Don't let anybody critize your style unless he or she is a better writer. Keep a stiff upper-lip... |
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 22, 2016 13:09:40 GMT -5
You'll have to desist trying to make me appear ugly, because I basically only took phrasings common to STF and reappropriated them. I don't speak in those terms myself, ad I adopted them just for the sake of demonstration. They appear 'ugly' to me too. I never abuse people under the pretense of a zen stick (nor psychoanalys or call people deluded, insane etc...), and as you see, 'your ugliness' is a continuation on your part, along withyou insinuation that I'm 'infecting' Quinn and causing him/her to 'become cynical'. My first post to which you responded to as 'ugly' didn't contain you in mind, and I explained that, yet it was descriptive of the 'ugliness' of undermining, and even abusing, forum members directly, which is endemic around here on this supposedly spiritual forum, but you've continued to attempt to articulate me in a less than appealing light, so I'll leave you to it. Trust me, it's effortless. From your own perspective, you criticize the use of the zen stick while making use of it yourself (as you describe above) and then deny you are doing so while you're doing it. It's similar to 'I'm not upset, I'm dismayed and frustrated'. I've been watching this forum at least as intensely as you have, and for much longer. Attitudes definitely are infectious. They embold, incite and push people's buttons. It's a manipulative tactic that works very well and provides the source material for discussions of mass insanity and angry pitchfork wielding villagers. If, like beauty, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder, and the judgement of ugliness is truly effortless, then the beholder probably has a lot of unconsciousness going on. #funwithlogic |
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 13:33:18 GMT -5
And no, the Atman (the individual soul of a human being) does NOT incarnate into the womb of a woman, into a baby, other than right before birth. And that's not an excuse for abortion to be made too easy. It's just to tell the "evil" ones that they know nothing about spirituality, "like...totally" not.
Edit: How can I possibly know that this is true? Well...IF I would be some kind of god, which I'm ..."like...totally" not, I would organize it that way. That's why.
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 13:47:11 GMT -5
I think anybody, who calls out for "proper" expressions on a "spiritual" forum, has just too much investment in a particular language pattern as the only means to point to something, and that's not a compliment, by any means. And it does not mean that there is no such thing as .... well....certain strategies playing out on such forums, by those who think "spirituality" is something valuable and desirable, which I think it's just ?%&*ยงยง% NOT.
"I came to the conclusion that spirituality is as dis-chardable as dish-water."
- (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 13:51:20 GMT -5
Now I'm cool, calm and collected again. Not that I wasn't while writing. Passion is not expressed by mere writing.
"....it's an action thing." - Bob Dylan (in some interview about what Love is)
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 22, 2016 13:56:39 GMT -5
I'm guessing the communication dynamics are fueled by deeply ingrained personality patterns more than conscious concerns about power distribution. Perhaps when an accusation is put on the table suggesting that one of those patterns is consciously intended there is a natural rebuff from the accused. Moi?? The rebuff can be either defense or offense or all of the above. Rinse,repeat. Yes, I suppose so. The focus here seems to be on the unconscious, though. That kind of thing is best explored gently. If the accusation suggests the pattern is unconscious, it still gets rebuffed. Key word being: accusation, imo. Yes. Marriage is a lot like that too. Right. There seems to be an inverse relationship between understanding and accusation. I'm thinking that, if there is a pivot point called SR, the personality patterns of communication that existed prior to that point will still remain after. That is to say, SR does not necessarily help with communication. Though I can imagine that kerfuffles may lack as much fuel as they did previously. Perhaps a kerfuffle wouldn't turn into a tornado, for example, and merely be a dust devil rising up and passing away. I definitely don't know. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2016 14:26:50 GMT -5
In this meaning and use of the word, isn't the "sage" created by acknowledgement? Personally, I welcome the acknowelegement of sages and don't have much interest in openly contradicting that acknowledgement, even when I might not share the same opinion. I also don't have any issue with the opposite of a negative acknowledgement. But shouldn't we expect the dynamic on a lightly moderated public forum to be, at the very least, unpredictable with respect to that acknowledgment? Personally, I see a place for and potential value in this other, less-than-reverential dynamic. I also agree with your assessment that there's some good potential lessons to be learned from the way that dynamic has gone sideways on this forum. But while it might be slipping inexorably toward chaos, it seems to me that the rest of the web is far, far ahead of us on that count. And I just straight-up disagree on the question of cuteness. When THIS manifests emotionally, it's not always unconsciously. Not all of us heard THIS for the first time from the dry, clear and calm voice of a sage. Some of us first heard THIS in the voice of a musician, a storyteller a poet or a comedian. Not all of us were called to attention by scripture. Some of us first saw THIS on the lines of a skyline or a work of art or felt THIS on the curves of a lovers body. Well on sages, and considering I've been a bit lacking on the substantive end around here, I wanted to give a note about Mooji. I became interested in the idea of self reflective telemetry and the spirit world. What's exactly is going on in the sleep state? Well anyway, Mooji came to me in a vision a couple weeks ago. I was in somewhat of a bind, and he gave me an indicator of an open avenue for value adding expression.
In the vision, he told me I have two angels with me, one of which was a little girl in the barrio, although perhaps it might point closer to say a light energy behind her. He specifically said, 'You're going to talk to her'.
I woke up, and said, well that ain't gonna happen cuz I ain't talking to her. Another wacky vision. But in the meantime started writing on collective engine stuff and before I know it a couple weeks pass and I find myself in this girls house. I only ended up there because Yadira fled in the interim, and was sleeping there.
Nevertheless, I found myself in the middle of a conversation with the little girl about Yadira and I, and at that exact moment saw the open avenue. Then just today I watched a Mooji vid, and saw either the "Ohm" or whatever that squiggly line is next to a picture of Maharshi, and in my room there is a giant painting of the planets and a circular object in the middle with the same symbol (someone else put the painting here, not me).
Anyway, it was at that point when a channel opened to talk about what exactly an angel is, and how the light of consciousness reflects back to itself through pockets of darkness. The Self took form as Mooji in a dream. You'd probably like the tech analysis but I think angels and demons are really interesting stuff, and that ultimately speaking there was a subconscious logical sequence where my mind was already two steps ahead of itself but couldn't get 'there' (which ironically is always 'here') without first working through some emotional blockages. Then we can contextualize a universal mind and the potential for networking through creatures.
 30 years ago I would have sneered at the idea of dream visions, 15 years ago I would have been condescendingly tolerant and 6 years ago I would have been genuinely open-minded. Experience is a wonderful teacher, and while I've never had the experience of a dream vision I've got enough ghost stories and improbable synchs to empathize, and I've also known a few peeps who are sensitive enough to have encountered them like yourself. As far as the tech description is concerned, well, one experience I do have is of finally recognizing how none of them touch what you and I really are, only what appears to us. You might not have noticed the specific expression of that recognition while it was happening but you were an integral part of the network of creatures that were involved in the process of it. We could use Swammi-G as an example of my current orientation. Now, to her, it seems like she had the experience of controlling the weather. I wouldn't question that it felt that way to her at the time, and I wouldn't call her crazy either. But I'd interpret her experience differently. I'd say that during those events she was in the midst of an experiencerless experience where movement and change is perceived but with no center to the perception. In those moments, she was the Earth, the sky and the clouds, and in a very literal experiential sense. The only subtle error I might ascribe to her description would be in that the will to make it rain was an after-the-fact conceptual overlay. That she made it rain though, I have no doubt.  |
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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 15:11:03 GMT -5
Well on sages, and considering I've been a bit lacking on the substantive end around here, I wanted to give a note about Mooji. I became interested in the idea of self reflective telemetry and the spirit world. What's exactly is going on in the sleep state? Well anyway, Mooji came to me in a vision a couple weeks ago. I was in somewhat of a bind, and he gave me an indicator of an open avenue for value adding expression.
In the vision, he told me I have two angels with me, one of which was a little girl in the barrio, although perhaps it might point closer to say a light energy behind her. He specifically said, 'You're going to talk to her'.
I woke up, and said, well that ain't gonna happen cuz I ain't talking to her. Another wacky vision. But in the meantime started writing on collective engine stuff and before I know it a couple weeks pass and I find myself in this girls house. I only ended up there because Yadira fled in the interim, and was sleeping there.
Nevertheless, I found myself in the middle of a conversation with the little girl about Yadira and I, and at that exact moment saw the open avenue. Then just today I watched a Mooji vid, and saw either the "Ohm" or whatever that squiggly line is next to a picture of Maharshi, and in my room there is a giant painting of the planets and a circular object in the middle with the same symbol (someone else put the painting here, not me).
Anyway, it was at that point when a channel opened to talk about what exactly an angel is, and how the light of consciousness reflects back to itself through pockets of darkness. The Self took form as Mooji in a dream. You'd probably like the tech analysis but I think angels and demons are really interesting stuff, and that ultimately speaking there was a subconscious logical sequence where my mind was already two steps ahead of itself but couldn't get 'there' (which ironically is always 'here') without first working through some emotional blockages. Then we can contextualize a universal mind and the potential for networking through creatures.
30 years ago I would have sneered at the idea of dream visions, 15 years ago I would have been condescendingly tolerant and 6 years ago I would have been genuinely open-minded. Experience is a wonderful teacher, and while I've never had the experience of a dream vision I've got enough ghost stories and improbable synchs to empathize, and I've also known a few peeps who are sensitive enough to have encountered them like yourself. As far as the tech description is concerned, well, one experience I do have is of finally recognizing how none of them touch what you and I really are, only what appears to us. You might not have noticed the specific expression of that recognition while it was happening but you were an integral part of the network of creatures that were involved in the process of it. We could use Swammi-G as an example of my current orientation. Now, to her, it seems like she had the experience of controlling the weather. I wouldn't question that it felt that way to her at the time, and I wouldn't call her crazy either. But I'd interpret her experience differently. I'd say that during those events she was in the midst of an experiencerless experience where movement and change is perceived but with no center to the perception. In those moments, she was the Earth, the sky and the clouds, and in a very literal experiential sense. The only subtle error I might ascribe to her description would be in that the will to make it rain was an after-the-fact conceptual overlay. That she made it rain though, I have no doubt. "Swammi-G" is my favourite, Laffy. That wrinkled chick is as much a real swami as some creepy chick can be. And I'm not a swami-admirer(erer) by any means, although some real swamis do have style, no doubt about it on my side. Waddayah say? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2016 17:14:25 GMT -5
To be able to pay is the best possession man can have. JG Bennett This is a great example of a "potential", since this "best possession" is only yours for as long as you don't pay.  ... you see, once you pay, you've lost the ability to pay ... He's talking about payment via conscious efforts. There is no practical limit, one is only limited by sleep. |
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Post by preciocho on Aug 22, 2016 17:18:33 GMT -5
What's amusing is that you think commenting on someone's writing when you have no apparent interest in what was written is somehow not Mr. Mind. You're a writer. Don't let anybody critize your style unless he or she is a better writer. Keep a stiff upper-lip... Thanks anja, but I don't think source was questioning my writing skillies, but rather, saying my fascination with mind and the world should be construed in a negative light. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2016 17:28:22 GMT -5
The underlined shows, from those exhibiting such, what their sense of self consists of. Note these are all emotional. You could say: "The underlined is as the underlined does". Now, most here might even probably say they recognize such exhibition comes from a false sense of self, but this is no excuse, that ought to be a hint that something is wrong. The underlined is as the underlined does. Also saying in another way, the underlined is what these say "I" to, why else write such things? The things slip by me sometimes too, but I ~own~ them, admit them, I sometimes even race back to delete hoping someone hasn't quoted me yet. But more important, the underlined acts as obstructions, barriers, they are a distorting lens. And they constitute reasons to go see a sage, as you say here, but these prevent hearing a sage, here (STF orum) or anywhere. We can only hear what we are. So first we have to see we are in our own way. We think if the truth is just spoken to us, we would recognize it, but we don't. If "God" Him/Her/Self spoke to us, we couldn't hear, because the ~message~ would fall on this interlocking grid of ~what-we-are~, as this false sense of self. And then maybe we think we are ~getting somewhere~, but then at some point we may realize we have merely peeled off the outer layer of the onion, and then we consider we have ~gotten somewhere~, until we realize that that was merely another layer. But first we have to see the underlined in ourselves, and own it, and then maybe these influences cease to ~push us around~. What would that mean? It would mean we cease saying and writing such stuff, and quit treating people we encounter in life nastily, anybody. (And sometimes we can treat the people closest to us, nastily). That's a very high bar. But when people are nasty to us, we feel we have the right to be nasty back. But that just shows ~who we are~ (what we say "I" to). Once you start writing about how smug other people are you've joined them in the one-upsmanship game, or did that fact elude you? I don't always see my nastiness, but most times it's pretty obvious and I admit it and own it. I stated that directly in the post. I said "In ourselves", that means I was not excluding myself. I was agreeing with ZD (I think that's allowed). So, honestly, I think you have projected smugness onto me. (I will "say no more", as PM's are private). ...but think the obvious. |
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30 years ago I would have sneered at the idea of dream visions, 15 years ago I would have been condescendingly tolerant and 6 years ago I would have been genuinely open-minded. Experience is a wonderful teacher, and while I've never had the experience of a dream vision I've got enough ghost stories and improbable synchs to empathize, and I've also known a few peeps who are sensitive enough to have encountered them like yourself.
