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Post by lolly on Aug 20, 2016 22:23:01 GMT -5
This is the sort of place where people might take ones words, and turn the person into a objectified article to be discussed as subject matter, or worse, take what is said and twist it into a weapon to cut them more deeply with. In the aftermath, the weapon, subjugation, abuses and what have you will be referred to a 'a wake up call', a 'zen stick' a 'pointer' or other spiritual misrepresentation. Other people also buy into the lie, and the assault is thusly displayed as a kindness so great, a wisdom so profound, an act so gracious, that the holy ones perversely stroke their aroused spiritual egos while cooing in some bizarre homo-social bond-fest while the assailed lies at their feet, bleeding out, and being blamed for doing so.
Its naive to think anonymity is the only requirement for safety. People here at STF have no clue what they're dealing with (but they might think their spirituality makes them the expert at everything) and opening the doors to something like experieces of psychosis here presents some significant risks for persons experiencing such things, and for the administrations role in duty of care... Powerful words. I haven't even been directly accused and I feel genuinely and sincerely hated. :| You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? |
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2016 22:26:49 GMT -5
If any of the eight of us who were a part of this dialog in one way or another were innocent of the positioning dynamic you've called out there might be a valid point to the calling, but none of us are so there isn't.  It started with 'Efigma' making a subject out of Tenka, and then Satch asserted the teachy preachy position in the same regard. If people think that's reasonable, then they ain't my kinda people. You claim there's no positioning, so I assume you're caught up in the STF 'delusion' as well'. Very 'likely you have too much invested in it', Laffy. , I wrote the exact opposite of that. You're readlessly reading lolz: I very clearly stated that none of the eight of us were innocent of the positioning as you've described it most generally. Although I don't agree with your ascription of the vile motives. And if you think that tenka hasn't written stuff just like this, positioning-wise, and directly in the dialog that led to E's comment, I'll be happy to put up a link wall to point it out. Would you like me to do that? Dude, self-righteousness only works .. if you're right.  First go find someone innocent. Then get your rage all stoked up. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 20, 2016 22:29:02 GMT -5
Don't be fooled where a man is made the subject of discourse into thinking that reason is being made, when it's construct, as explained by Kantorowitz in his analysis of the King's Body, where the man who the king condemns is the kings own inverted figure.  Don't be fooled where a man is made the subject of discourse into thinking that reason is being made, when it's construct, as explained by Kantorowitz in his analysis of the King's Body, where the man who the king condemns is the kings own inverted figure. You don't realise that I am the mirror, because you're focuses on the images. There's no winners, you know. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 20, 2016 22:30:57 GMT -5
It started with 'Efigma' making a subject out of Tenka, and then Satch asserted the teachy preachy position in the same regard. If people think that's reasonable, then they ain't my kinda people. You claim there's no positioning, so I assume you're caught up in the STF 'delusion' as well'. Very 'likely you have too much invested in it', Laffy. Are there no circumstance in which you would accept the position as a student or do you see an inherent oppressiveness in any teacher student relationship. I undertake relationships of mutual consent. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 22:36:20 GMT -5
Powerful words. I haven't even been directly accused and I feel genuinely and sincerely hated.  You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2016 22:42:01 GMT -5
You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. Yes, since he's unable to reply, let me say that your claim that you wrote what you did for his own good is transparent, especially given your multiple comments over the prior year that you were likely going to exit this forum. What's amusing is that you couldn't stay away for very long afterward. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 22:48:51 GMT -5
Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. Yes, since he's unable to reply, let me say that your claim that you wrote what you did for his own good is transparent, especially given your multiple comments over the prior year that you were likely going to exit this forum. What's amusing is that you couldn't stay away for very long afterward. It could be that you and lolly default to the position of moral arbiter which is an essential component of lollys pet subject, relational dynamics. And what's amusing about changing ones mind? |
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2016 23:01:40 GMT -5
Yes, since he's unable to reply, let me say that your claim that you wrote what you did for his own good is transparent, especially given your multiple comments over the prior year that you were likely going to exit this forum. What's amusing is that you couldn't stay away for very long afterward. It could be that you and lolly default to the position of moral arbiter which is an essential component of lollys pet subject, relational dynamics. And what's amusing about changing ones mind? Nah, I wrote extensively at the time of the incident and made it clear it wasn't about morality when I did. It's not just the fact of the flip-flop that's amusing, but that it would happen in the context of such strong opinions on what the forum is about and such a dramatic exit.  I wouldn't have written anything in supplement to lolz if you hadn't tweaked gopals nipples the way ya' did just then.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 23:11:28 GMT -5
It could be that you and lolly default to the position of moral arbiter which is an essential component of lollys pet subject, relational dynamics. And what's amusing about changing ones mind? Nah, I wrote extensively at the time of the incident and made it clear it wasn't about morality when I did. It's not just the fact of the flip-flop that's amusing, but that it would happen in the context of such strong opinions on what the forum is about and such a dramatic exit. I wouldn't have written anything in supplement to lolz if you hadn't tweaked gopals nipples the way ya' did just then. Ah, you are the defender of gopal's nipples now. Didn't someone here refer to you as an opportunist recently? Can't remember who said that. We would need someone who's good at searching the archives. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2016 23:15:22 GMT -5
Nah, I wrote extensively at the time of the incident and made it clear it wasn't about morality when I did. It's not just the fact of the flip-flop that's amusing, but that it would happen in the context of such strong opinions on what the forum is about and such a dramatic exit. I wouldn't have written anything in supplement to lolz if you hadn't tweaked gopals nipples the way ya' did just then. Ah, you are the defender of gopal's nipples now. Didn't someone here refer to you as an opportunist recently? Can't remember who said that. We would need someone who's good at searching the archives.  |
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Post by enigma on Aug 20, 2016 23:19:29 GMT -5
I have to agree with enigma on this, most people are deeply unconscious. Not to see this means....well....that one has not seen themselves as deeply unconscious. Of course this must necessarily mean one is still unconscious, I don't see any way of getting around this. .....But quinn...doesn't this go back to our last conversation? ...isn't there a contradiction between that and this? But then ATST a person conscious (E?) knows not to disparage others. But then again most people around here think becoming conscious is once and done, but it's not (at least in the beginning). One can get a taste of it, and then ~get ordinary again~. But then you can remember ~what it was like~ and then know ~you are no longer there~. If one is ~no longer there~ then one is no longer conscious, period. And if one does not recognize this, then they are all the more unconscious. Yeah, no - heh heh. I have to disagree that most people are deeply unconscious. I think it's a meaningless statement. Unconsciousness refers to thoughts and beliefs that we're unaware of, right? People sometimes express those and sometimes express conscious thoughts. So how can the person be defined as deeply unconscious? And why label them that way? To what purpose? Isn't it always a comparison spoken/thought by the person who believes themselves to be clear? Or, in your example, looking back at oneself to gauge one's own level of clarity? What is comparison always about? IMO, it's a de-rail and reinforces ego. I know it might sound like I'm splitting hairs, but I think it's one of those unexamined beliefs that gets carried around and spills out. I don't think you're splitting hairs but I think you've grown cynical. (Hopefully, just about this forum) (Or just about me) (Or maybe Lolly is beginning to infect the whole forum)(siriusly) |
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Post by lolly on Aug 20, 2016 23:23:37 GMT -5
It started with 'Efigma' making a subject out of Tenka, and then Satch asserted the teachy preachy position in the same regard. If people think that's reasonable, then they ain't my kinda people. You claim there's no positioning, so I assume you're caught up in the STF 'delusion' as well'. Very 'likely you have too much invested in it', Laffy. , I wrote the exact opposite of that. You're readlessly reading lolz: I very clearly stated that none of the eight of us were innocent of the positioning as you've described it most generally. Although I don't agree with your ascription of the vile motives. And if you think that tenka hasn't written stuff just like this, positioning-wise, and directly in the dialog that led to E's comment, I'll be happy to put up a link wall to point it out. Would you like me to do that? :) Dude, self-righteousness only works .. if you're right. ;) First go find someone innocent. Then get your rage all stoked up. Ok , I must've misread. Thanks for clarifying. I come to STF with a guard up. I'm absolutely convinced everyone is positioned as a teacher or a student at the outset, and people generally want the wise teacher position; not the ignorant student one. Then what people say comes across as preaching presented as The Answer, rather than a conversation. It's kinda like that Ruthless Truth place, but without the steroids. When I turn it all about and I adopt the same forms of language that hold this charade together, well, I look stupid right, it sounds kinda inane... looks ridiculous... it's laughable. For some reason it seems to go unnoticed as acceptable as normal until the wrong person starts to do it. If I banged on at Enigma about his insanity and delusions and his over-investments and what have you, persistently rendered Satch into student shoes, called 'Efigma' for a month or two, prattled on about and and giggled at them like a little b1tch pretty much incessantly... not to metion the unknown PM's ad reports to admin all used in the big coercion... and so on... and like, suddenly, BIG SURPRISE, there is an eruption, and someone tells me where to get off. To me though, it is not a surprise, because I know the game as a whole and it goes round and around in a predictable cycle. This is my last mention of the social dynamics at STF, because of two reasons, I;ve already said everything, and secondly, it's now just becoming a part of the cycle itself. Oh yea, I'm done using the strategies ad turning them back, too. They are here to stay and required to persuade people into their places. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 20, 2016 23:25:53 GMT -5
You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. You seem pleased with you victory. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 23:59:44 GMT -5
Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. You seem pleased with you victory. It's interesting that you need to create this polarity. Teacher/student, victory/defeat, win/lose, respect/abuse. Let your guard down. Most here just want to exchange views. It's safe. Any kind of abuse here cannot be compared with real abuse in the workplace or in a domestic relationship let's say which are serious issues that need to be dealt with. No one has to really confront anyone, they can walk away. The nature of such a beast as a spiritual forum is that it will test ones beliefs and investment in those beliefs and that can precipitate strong personal views and displays of vulnerability on occasion. To frame these exchanges within the context of a power struggle where one is being forced to defer to another is a dynamic that is continually alternating here so overall there seems to be a balance. I suppose what I'm saying is, don't be too serious about what's said here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 3:59:14 GMT -5
You don't realise that I am the mirror, because you're focuses on the images. There's no winners, you know. I do realise that I Am You. Inverting the images seen in the mirror is all about emotional exploration, and the biggest loser in that process is the human heart. |
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First go find someone innocent. Then get your rage all stoked up.
I wouldn't have written anything in supplement to lolz if you hadn't tweaked gopals nipples the way ya' did 
