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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 20:48:43 GMT -5
That's actually a really cool story and I enjoyed reading it ... but dude, you don't have to project your persona onto every living thing that sends information your way. Like you just did?? Got any specifics?
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 20:50:07 GMT -5
Got any specifics? The post i quoted.
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 20:52:09 GMT -5
Got any specifics? The post i quoted. What, specifically about that post, fits the pattern of my projecting my persona out onto the information that you provided? It is clear that I'm pointing out a projection, and it's also very clear that the projection is there, and isn't mine. The difference between what you are likely thinking is projection in my case are the objective facts in the dialog. You see, sometimes "clarity" isn't an empty misused psuedo-guru chant.
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 22:49:07 GMT -5
Hey guys. With this thread, I am hoping to provide a space where any and all conclusions can be put down for a minute, firstly to acknowledge the indisputably undeniable fact that (whatever the particular content, and whether or not we believe that content is real or unreal) what we can call 'experiencing' IS (at the very least SEEMING to be, at the moment) happening, and then to share what we feel and think about this fact. No need to arrive at any conclusions on this thread. This is just for fun. In order to stand with no conclusions, one must give up their idea of themselves. The sturm and drang when someone hurls mud at an image of a phantom that is only in their mind very obviously signifies nothing. Experiencing is, and standing with no conclusions, the drone of the concluders is a sound heard as it truly is, a sound utterly devoid of any quality, and in this hearing, the absence of limit that is the actuality is crystal clear.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 23:31:58 GMT -5
What, specifically about that post, fits the pattern of my projecting my persona out onto the information that you provided? It is clear that I'm pointing out a projection, and it's also very clear that the projection is there, and isn't mine. The difference between what you are likely thinking is projection in my case are the objective facts in the dialog. You see, sometimes "clarity" isn't an empty misused psuedo-guru chant. The post i quoted, the whole post is your persona, conflict, and it's overlayed/projected onto most of your posts.. the 'facts' are beliefs you arrange to create illusions.. No, you're not "pointing out a projection", you're projecting your self-image onto a situation you don't like, that image is conflict, and it is how you define yourself..
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2015 1:06:30 GMT -5
What, specifically about that post, fits the pattern of my projecting my persona out onto the information that you provided? It is clear that I'm pointing out a projection, and it's also very clear that the projection is there, and isn't mine. The difference between what you are likely thinking is projection in my case are the objective facts in the dialog. You see, sometimes "clarity" isn't an empty misused psuedo-guru chant. The post i quoted, the whole post is your persona, conflict, and it's overlayed/projected onto most of your posts.. the 'facts' are beliefs you arrange to create illusions.. No, you're not "pointing out a projection", you're projecting your self-image onto a situation you don't like, that image is conflict, and it is how you define yourself.. Oh Tzu', for once in a dialog be the eagle instead of the fool who imitates one. You wrote this: it responded to a practiced 'hawk-like whistle' by shuffling a little closer, cranking it's head sideways and unleashing a powerful 'screee', as if to say: 'let me show you how it's done'.. Now, here, lets start with the simple fact that you've anthropomorphized the bird. Can you muster the clarity to admit at least that? Pointing out that you've projected your persona onto the bird is just a simple fact. That you can't take a joke and are conflicted about your image is not my doing and has nothing to do with any alleged projection on my part. You respond to the challenge for details with nothing but a flurry of TMT opinions. With every post you reveal the disarray of your mind.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2015 8:32:04 GMT -5
The post i quoted, the whole post is your persona, conflict, and it's overlayed/projected onto most of your posts.. the 'facts' are beliefs you arrange to create illusions.. No, you're not "pointing out a projection", you're projecting your self-image onto a situation you don't like, that image is conflict, and it is how you define yourself.. Oh Tzu', for once in a dialog be the eagle instead of the fool who imitates one. You wrote this: it responded to a practiced 'hawk-like whistle' by shuffling a little closer, cranking it's head sideways and unleashing a powerful 'screee', as if to say: 'let me show you how it's done'.. Now, here, lets start with the simple fact that you've anthropomorphized the bird. Can you muster the clarity to admit at least that? Pointing out that you've projected your persona onto the bird is just a simple fact. That you can't take a joke and are conflicted about your image is not my doing and has nothing to do with any alleged projection on my part. You respond to the challenge for details with nothing but a flurry of TMT opinions. With every post you reveal the disarray of your mind. Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle.. so what?.. doood, you spend your ST forum life projecting conflict, starting it, and keeping it alive, just to feed your 'bad-boy' self-image.. somehow you've managed to troll this thread into disarray, too, it's just what you do, it's your nature....
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2015 9:04:37 GMT -5
Oh Tzu', for once in a dialog be the eagle instead of the fool who imitates one. You wrote this: Now, here, lets start with the simple fact that you've anthropomorphized the bird. Can you muster the clarity to admit at least that? Pointing out that you've projected your persona onto the bird is just a simple fact. That you can't take a joke and are conflicted about your image is not my doing and has nothing to do with any alleged projection on my part. You respond to the challenge for details with nothing but a flurry of TMT opinions. With every post you reveal the disarray of your mind. Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle.. so what?.. doood, you spend your ST forum life projecting conflict, starting it, and keeping it alive, just to feed your 'bad-boy' self-image.. somehow you've managed to troll this thread into disarray, too, it's just what you do, it's your nature.... How hard was that, see? Simple facts, clarity, and the discussion flows without the silly resistance. You've taken a simple and clear observation of your projection and a joke about that and drama'd it up into a mult-page spectacle. It's really is quite amusing, dude. So from there -- the fact of the anthropomorphizing -- the next simple fact is, isn't all anthropomorphizing a form of projection? Can you respond to the clarity of that simple question or will you tangle and pollute your reply with more of this endless resistance based on your own, specifically stated and admitted self-image as a teacher?
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2015 9:13:08 GMT -5
That's actually a really cool story and I enjoyed reading it ... but dude, you don't have to project your persona onto every living thing that sends information your way. maybe the bird had recently been listening to the Charlie Daniels Band.. I stand in awe, with no conclusions, of every troubadour. Do you think that our beloved Tzu' is an uneasy rider, or is he instead just fiddlin' 'round?? More importantly, was it really an eagle he saw up there or was the bird just a pickin'-out dough??
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2015 9:51:25 GMT -5
Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle.. so what?.. doood, you spend your ST forum life projecting conflict, starting it, and keeping it alive, just to feed your 'bad-boy' self-image.. somehow you've managed to troll this thread into disarray, too, it's just what you do, it's your nature.... How hard was that, see? Simple facts, clarity, and the discussion flows without the silly resistance. You've taken a simple and clear observation of your projection and a joke about that and drama'd it up into a mult-page spectacle. It's really is quite amusing, dude. So from there -- the fact of the anthropomorphizing -- the next simple fact is, isn't all anthropomorphizing a form of projection? Can you respond to the clarity of that simple question or will you tangle and pollute your reply with more of this endless resistance based on your own, specifically stated and admitted self-image as a teacher? Really?? There was no 'drama' until you came in swinging your 'bad-boy' self-image to create the conflict you can then complain about and continue as you doing now to keep it alive.. can you see that?
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2015 9:57:23 GMT -5
Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle.. so what?.. doood, you spend your ST forum life projecting conflict, starting it, and keeping it alive, just to feed your 'bad-boy' self-image.. somehow you've managed to troll this thread into disarray, too, it's just what you do, it's your nature.... How hard was that, see? Simple facts, clarity, and the discussion flows without the silly resistance. You've taken a simple and clear observation of your projection and a joke about that and drama'd it up into a mult-page spectacle. It's really is quite amusing, dude. So from there -- the fact of the anthropomorphizing -- the next simple fact is, isn't all anthropomorphizing a form of projection? Can you respond to the clarity of that simple question or will you tangle and pollute your reply with more of this endless resistance based on your own, specifically stated and admitted self-image as a teacher? There's no specifically stated 'teacher' self-image, that's your projected belief.. can you admit that? Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting, but you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill, prosecuting a frivolous case..
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2015 11:36:13 GMT -5
How hard was that, see? Simple facts, clarity, and the discussion flows without the silly resistance. You've taken a simple and clear observation of your projection and a joke about that and drama'd it up into a mult-page spectacle. It's really is quite amusing, dude. So from there -- the fact of the anthropomorphizing -- the next simple fact is, isn't all anthropomorphizing a form of projection? Can you respond to the clarity of that simple question or will you tangle and pollute your reply with more of this endless resistance based on your own, specifically stated and admitted self-image as a teacher? There's no specifically stated 'teacher' self-image, that's your projected belief.. can you admit that? Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting, but you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill, prosecuting a frivolous case.. You see? It only took you two different replies, three giraffes and a denial to get you to it. Aces! Well done! Ok, so now we can put these two simple facts together: Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting ... and deduce that what I wrote to you initially included three elements: That's actually a really cool story and I enjoyed reading it ... but dude, you don't have to project your persona onto every living thing that sends information your way. (1) An acknowledgement of your experience (2) A simple and clear observation of the fact of your projection. (3) A joke in the form of a teaching suggestion . Since you obviously don't recognize me as any sort of teaching authority qualified to offer you that kind of a prescription, we both know that it was just an attempt at humor, right? Butt you suggested in reply that I had projected something onto you: So, I ask again -- now with the simple facts established ... what, specifically in what was written there, was my projection onto you? Can you answer this question with the same simple clarity that arrived at the fact of your projection, and if so, can you do so while minimizing all of these collateral distractions and without resorting to a TMT tornado and a herd of angry giraffes? ========= Tsk tsk tsk ... all this distraction and deflection from you in reply ... why do you favor this sort of smoke screen over open, honest and civil discussion? .... and please, don't misinterpret the question, as a " complaint". Really?? There was no 'drama' until you came in swinging your 'bad-boy' self-image to create the conflict you can then complain about and continue as you doing now to keep it alive.. can you see that? LOL, no Tzu', while you have complained twice about the "conflict", I very obviously haven't. Can you substantiate your claim? Where, specifically, have I " complained about conflict"? Simply noting the fact of your resistance isn't a complaint, while you have very obviously complained about the big bad mean good 'ole boy relentlessly trolling the thread and forum. The drama is the creation of your complaint and your resistance to clear and simple questions. There's no specifically stated 'teacher' self-image, that's your projected belief.. can you admit that? No, I won't admit that as it's clearly there in your own words and quite evident from your actions, and we can litigate that next if you'd like once this case is concluded. Wouldn't that be awesome?
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2015 11:41:39 GMT -5
There's no specifically stated 'teacher' self-image, that's your projected belief.. can you admit that? Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting, but you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill, prosecuting a frivolous case.. You see? It only took you two different replies, three giraffes and a denial to get you to it. Aces! Well done! Ok, so now we can put these two simple facts together: Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting ... and deduce that what I wrote to you initially included three elements: That's actually a really cool story and I enjoyed reading it ... but dude, you don't have to project your persona onto every living thing that sends information your way. (1) An acknowledgement of your experience (2) A simple and clear observation of the fact of your projection. (3) A joke in the form of a teaching suggestion . Since you obviously don't recognize me as any sort of teaching authority qualified to offer you that kind of a prescription, we both know that it was just an attempt at humor, right? Butt you suggested in reply that I had projected something onto you: So, I ask again -- now with the simple facts established ... what, specifically in what was written there, was my projection onto you? Can you answer this question with the same simple clarity that arrived at the fact of your projection, and if so, can you do so while minimizing all of these collateral distractions and without resorting to a TMT tornado and a herd of angry giraffes? ========= Tsk tsk tsk ... all this distraction and deflection from you in reply ... why do favor this sort of smoke screen over open, honest and civil discussion? .... and please, don't misinterpret the question, as a " complaint". Really?? There was no 'drama' until you came in swinging your 'bad-boy' self-image to create the conflict you can then complain about and continue as you doing now to keep it alive.. can you see that? LOL, no Tzu', while you have complained twice about the "conflict", I very obviously haven't. Can you substantiate your claim? Where, specifically, have I " complained about conflict"? Simply noting the fact of your resistance isn't a complaint, while you have very obviously complained about the big bad mean good 'ole boy relentlessly trolling the thread and forum. The drama is the creation of your complaint and your resistance to clear and simple questions. There's no specifically stated 'teacher' self-image, that's your projected belief.. can you admit that? No, I won't admit that as it's clearly there in your own words and quite evident from your actions, and we can litigate that next if you'd like once this case is concluded. Wouldn't that be awesome? This discussion is stalled on your inability to realize your role in derailing this thread, and on your own projected beliefs..
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2015 11:55:34 GMT -5
This discussion is stalled on your inability to realize your role in derailing this thread, and on your own projected beliefs.. Yes, i anthropomorphized the eagle Of course anthropomorphizing is a form of projecting So, I ask again -- now with the simple facts established ... what, specifically in what was written there, was my projection onto you?
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2015 12:26:09 GMT -5
You see? It only took you two different replies, three giraffes and a denial to get you to it. Aces! Well done! Ok, so now we can put these two simple facts together: ... and deduce that what I wrote to you initially included three elements: (1) An acknowledgement of your experience (2) A simple and clear observation of the fact of your projection. (3) A joke in the form of a teaching suggestion . Since you obviously don't recognize me as any sort of teaching authority qualified to offer you that kind of a prescription, we both know that it was just an attempt at humor, right? Butt you suggested in reply that I had projected something onto you: So, I ask again -- now with the simple facts established ... what, specifically in what was written there, was my projection onto you? Can you answer this question with the same simple clarity that arrived at the fact of your projection, and if so, can you do so while minimizing all of these collateral distractions and without resorting to a TMT tornado and a herd of angry giraffes? ========= Tsk tsk tsk ... all this distraction and deflection from you in reply ... why do favor this sort of smoke screen over open, honest and civil discussion? .... and please, don't misinterpret the question, as a " complaint". LOL, no Tzu', while you have complained twice about the "conflict", I very obviously haven't. Can you substantiate your claim? Where, specifically, have I " complained about conflict"? Simply noting the fact of your resistance isn't a complaint, while you have very obviously complained about the big bad mean good 'ole boy relentlessly trolling the thread and forum. The drama is the creation of your complaint and your resistance to clear and simple questions. No, I won't admit that as it's clearly there in your own words and quite evident from your actions, and we can litigate that next if you'd like once this case is concluded. Wouldn't that be awesome? This discussion is stalled on your inability to realize your role in derailing this thread, and on your own projected beliefs.. It's YOUR stall, play them crickets..
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