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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 9, 2015 11:18:21 GMT -5
My favorite image if one thinks they are independent, lock yourself in an abandoned walk-in freezer and see how long you last, independent. Try going to your neighbor's house and making love to his wife.. or, invite your buddies over for a go at your significant other.. independence AND interdependence happen simultaneously, you choose according to circumstance and volition.. Yea, separation, obvious, sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:41:04 GMT -5
Your model contradicts itself.. the independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs are a function of independently functioning versions of the same essence applying their volition in their choice of interpretation/understanding/belief.. Pro-tip#1: if you want to show internal inconsistency you need to stick within that system. The underlined is a statement that reinforces a different model, outside of the system you are commenting on. Perhaps you meant: "an alternative model/explanation is...."? Pro-tip#2: you also seem to be saying that internal contradiction is to be avoided. For example: Given A is not equal to B and A = B, then Both A=B And A is not equal to B. That is an internal contradiction. By your model, this is okay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:42:34 GMT -5
Hi, I've been reading you for a while. I write now to ask advice about how to answer my (10 year old) daughter. Recently she asked "How do we talk to ourselves, I mean how does that voice talk in my head?"... I mumbled some things like "the brain... err.. some part of it.. tells... recorded words.. err.. the other part... listens" but she asked for a better explanation... I happened to be reading a psychology book for an exam, showed her some pictures (of dendrites, axons) but that didn't help either What can I tell her? Thanks. Note: I have only watched some videos from Adyashanti and Mooji, about Hi Question, this is a much nicer version of this inquiry than Hi Question, this is a much nicer version of this inquiry than the last time you proposed a question from a school age girl ;-) Thoughts are your most basic essence, your conciousness, moving and dancing and playing, all your thoughts together make up your mind, and whatever else you do with your body and whatever happens around you is the reflection of your mind shining outward. So words spoken silently in your mind are movements of your conciousness that you are keeping inside, instead of letting those movements out into this shared space we call the world. Some movements of the mind are just for you, a kind of private exploration or private conversation with yourself, while other movements of the mind are meant to be shared with everyone else. Silent thoughts inside your mind happen when your conciousness wants to talk to itself in a private way, and spoken thoughts happen when your conciousness wants to have thoughts that are shared with other parts of itself. In a real life situation, talking to an actual 10 year old, it would probably be best to say: 'It's a mystery that no one really knows the answer to, maybe you should try to find out for everyone else.' stevo don't confuse things with guesses about identities. (and I think you're wrong).
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Post by silver on Feb 9, 2015 14:52:51 GMT -5
Hi Question, this is a much nicer version of this inquiry than the last time you proposed a question from a school age girl ;-) Thoughts are your most basic essence, your conciousness, moving and dancing and playing, all your thoughts together make up your mind, and whatever else you do with your body and whatever happens around you is the reflection of your mind shining outward. So words spoken silently in your mind are movements of your conciousness that you are keeping inside, instead of letting those movements out into this shared space we call the world. Some movements of the mind are just for you, a kind of private exploration or private conversation with yourself, while other movements of the mind are meant to be shared with everyone else. Silent thoughts inside your mind happen when your conciousness wants to talk to itself in a private way, and spoken thoughts happen when your conciousness wants to have thoughts that are shared with other parts of itself. In a real life situation, talking to an actual 10 year old, it would probably be best to say: 'It's a mystery that no one really knows the answer to, maybe you should try to find out for everyone else.' stevo don't confuse things with guesses about identities. (and I think you're wrong). ooh, I forgot about that....he could be right...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 15:36:04 GMT -5
Hi Question, this is a much nicer version of this inquiry than the last time you proposed a question from a school age girl ;-) Thoughts are your most basic essence, your conciousness, moving and dancing and playing, all your thoughts together make up your mind, and whatever else you do with your body and whatever happens around you is the reflection of your mind shining outward. So words spoken silently in your mind are movements of your conciousness that you are keeping inside, instead of letting those movements out into this shared space we call the world. Some movements of the mind are just for you, a kind of private exploration or private conversation with yourself, while other movements of the mind are meant to be shared with everyone else. Silent thoughts inside your mind happen when your conciousness wants to talk to itself in a private way, and spoken thoughts happen when your conciousness wants to have thoughts that are shared with other parts of itself. In a real life situation, talking to an actual 10 year old, it would probably be best to say: 'It's a mystery that no one really knows the answer to, maybe you should try to find out for everyone else.' stevo don't confuse things with guesses about identities. (and I think you're wrong).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 15:40:48 GMT -5
stevo don't confuse things with guesses about identities. (and I think you're wrong). My highhorse has a mind of it's own and loves to buck me off on first utterance. edit: if I'm lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 15:57:00 GMT -5
Try going to your neighbor's house and making love to his wife.. or, invite your buddies over for a go at your significant other.. independence AND interdependence happen simultaneously, you choose according to circumstance and volition.. Yea, separation, obvious, sometimes. Methinks it'd go straight to divorce.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 15:59:17 GMT -5
My highhorse has a mind of it's own and loves to buck me off on first utterance. edit: if I'm lucky. Don't knock it..
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Post by enigma on Feb 9, 2015 20:55:02 GMT -5
stevo don't confuse things with guesses about identities. (and I think you're wrong). He didn't say HE wasn't allowed to guess.
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Post by enigma on Feb 9, 2015 20:57:30 GMT -5
Yea, separation, obvious, sometimes. Methinks it'd go straight to divorce. Well, at least you would have more independence.
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2015 22:08:04 GMT -5
Your model contradicts itself.. the independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs are a function of independently functioning versions of the same essence applying their volition in their choice of interpretation/understanding/belief.. It doesn't contradict until you conclude different perspective implies volition. Your crusade against volition contradicts itself, you apply your will to manage the agenda you've choosen, and you conspire to advance an agenda by the force of your will.. the war you wage against volition/separation depends on you creating the illusion of an enemy..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2015 22:13:00 GMT -5
Your model contradicts itself.. the independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs are a function of independently functioning versions of the same essence applying their volition in their choice of interpretation/understanding/belief.. Pro-tip#1: if you want to show internal inconsistency you need to stick within that system. The underlined is a statement that reinforces a different model, outside of the system you are commenting on. Perhaps you meant: "an alternative model/explanation is...."? Pro-tip#2: you also seem to be saying that internal contradiction is to be avoided. For example: Given A is not equal to B and A = B, then Both A=B And A is not equal to B. That is an internal contradiction. By your model, this is okay. You'll need the whole alphabet to understand why it's not a contradiction..
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Post by enigma on Feb 9, 2015 23:02:31 GMT -5
It doesn't contradict until you conclude different perspective implies volition. Your crusade against volition contradicts itself, you apply your will to manage the agenda you've choosen, and you conspire to advance an agenda by the force of your will.. the war you wage against volition/separation depends on you creating the illusion of an enemy.. Even if that were true, it wouldn't contradict nonvolition. You have yet to understand the concept, much less realize the truth of it.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Feb 10, 2015 0:00:20 GMT -5
It doesn't contradict until you conclude different perspective implies volition. Your crusade against volition contradicts itself, you apply your will to manage the agenda you've choosen, and you conspire to advance an agenda by the force of your will.. the war you wage against volition/separation depends on you creating the illusion of an enemy.. Repost of something you may have seen. It is not about realization per se, but it might help relax your stance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 3:32:38 GMT -5
He didn't say HE wasn't allowed to guess. This is true. To be honest, I'm waiting for Stevie to try out his guessing on at least the next four new members.
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