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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2015 7:54:56 GMT -5
Not sure how you conclude that unless you assume predetermination in place of volition. Nobody has predetermined anything. Seems that way. Looks like it would be one or the other. That doesn't really concern me much. In general isn't the Tantrix way to get everything this non existent ego wants before enlightenment can happen...generally speaking? Also what about this non existent ego being stimulated in negative ways. There seems to be more things this ego hasn't overcome that has shown up. Notice the pattern of thought that draws that conclusion and know that this pattern isn't what you are -- it's a masquerade, a sham, a trick. But don't you know this already? Seems to me you do -- but you've turned it on it's head. The ego never overcomes anything. There is meaning to life, it's just that trying to state it in words is futile. You may as well stand outside with a paper cup and try to bottle some wind.
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Post by freejoy on Jan 22, 2015 13:18:05 GMT -5
Seems that way. Looks like it would be one or the other. That doesn't really concern me much. In general isn't the Tantrix way to get everything this non existent ego wants before enlightenment can happen...generally speaking? Also what about this non existent ego being stimulated in negative ways. There seems to be more things this ego hasn't overcome that has shown up. :) Notice the pattern of thought that draws that conclusion and know that this pattern isn't what you are -- it's a masquerade, a sham, a trick. But don't you know this already? Seems to me you do -- but you've turned it on it's head. The ego never overcomes anything. There is meaning to life, it's just that trying to state it in words is futile. You may as well stand outside with a paper cup and try to bottle some wind. It seems to be a logical conclusion but i know love and enlightenment isn't logical. A few months ago I had a deep feeling or intuition that my life had meaning that I was doing what i was suppose to be doing. It felt very good. But i now question if somehow i have went off course. So i mingle with enlightened people to make sure i stay on my correct path. :)
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Post by silver on Jan 22, 2015 13:22:16 GMT -5
Notice the pattern of thought that draws that conclusion and know that this pattern isn't what you are -- it's a masquerade, a sham, a trick. But don't you know this already? Seems to me you do -- but you've turned it on it's head. The ego never overcomes anything. There is meaning to life, it's just that trying to state it in words is futile. You may as well stand outside with a paper cup and try to bottle some wind. It seems to be a logical conclusion but i know love and enlightenment isn't logical. A few months ago I had a deep feeling or intuition that my life had meaning that I was doing what i was suppose to be doing. It felt very good. But i now question if somehow i have went off course. So i mingle with enlightened people to make sure i stay on my correct path. How do you - or anybody else - know what YOUR correct path is...except YOU? So-called enlightened folk aren't going to help you there. You and I and everyone else is literally on their own as far as your own so-called 'correct path'. It's not that hard.
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Post by freejoy on Jan 22, 2015 16:10:23 GMT -5
It seems to be a logical conclusion but i know love and enlightenment isn't logical. A few months ago I had a deep feeling or intuition that my life had meaning that I was doing what i was suppose to be doing. It felt very good. But i now question if somehow i have went off course. So i mingle with enlightened people to make sure i stay on my correct path. :) How do you - or anybody else - know what YOUR correct path is...except YOU? So-called enlightened folk aren't going to help you there. You and I and everyone else is literally on their own as far as your own so-called 'correct path'. It's not that hard. ::) Of course they don't know. But they have the energy that knows everything. They help without knowing ...correct? hehehe
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Post by silver on Jan 22, 2015 16:41:38 GMT -5
How do you - or anybody else - know what YOUR correct path is...except YOU? So-called enlightened folk aren't going to help you there. You and I and everyone else is literally on their own as far as your own so-called 'correct path'. It's not that hard. Of course they don't know. But they have the energy that knows everything. They help without knowing ...correct? hehehe I don't know how their having 'the energy that knows everything' helps you without knowing, to be honest. How does that work, anyway?
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Post by freejoy on Jan 22, 2015 16:52:33 GMT -5
Of course they don't know. But they have the energy that knows everything. They help without knowing ...correct? hehehe I don't know how their having 'the energy that knows everything' helps you without knowing, to be honest. How does that work, anyway? It's the enlightened that God comes into this world thorough. It's like the trickled down effect. God experiencing itself thorough enlightened people, then effecting all it comes into contact with. Like a spinning top bumping into slower spinning tops speeding them up.
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Post by silver on Jan 22, 2015 17:07:46 GMT -5
I don't know how their having 'the energy that knows everything' helps you without knowing, to be honest. How does that work, anyway? It's the enlightened that God comes into this world thorough. It's like the trickled down effect. God experiencing itself thorough enlightened people, then effecting all it comes into contact with. Like a spinning top bumping into slower spinning tops speeding them up. It sounds like you can get pregnant through osmosis or something. That strikes me as a bit of a weird notion.
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2015 17:10:33 GMT -5
Notice the pattern of thought that draws that conclusion and know that this pattern isn't what you are -- it's a masquerade, a sham, a trick. But don't you know this already? Seems to me you do -- but you've turned it on it's head. The ego never overcomes anything. There is meaning to life, it's just that trying to state it in words is futile. You may as well stand outside with a paper cup and try to bottle some wind. So i mingle with enlightened people to make sure i stay on my correct path. ... you mean, here?? It seems to be a logical conclusion but i know love and enlightenment isn't logical. A few months ago I had a deep feeling or intuition that my life had meaning that I was doing what i was suppose to be doing. It felt very good. But i now question if somehow i have went off course. Good intuition 'cause that conclusion just can't be wrong, but if it was dependent on conditions then how could it be stable? Did you want to write about what it was that you were doing that you thought you were supposed to be doing? I'd be curious to hear about that ...
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Post by freejoy on Jan 22, 2015 17:44:33 GMT -5
So i mingle with enlightened people to make sure i stay on my correct path. ... you mean, here?? It seems to be a logical conclusion but i know love and enlightenment isn't logical. A few months ago I had a deep feeling or intuition that my life had meaning that I was doing what i was suppose to be doing. It felt very good. But i now question if somehow i have went off course. Good intuition 'cause that conclusion just can't be wrong, but if it was dependent on conditions then how could it be stable? Did you want to write about what it was that you were doing that you thought you were supposed to be doing? I'd be curious to hear about that ... Well the thing about intuition is that life is dynamic and constantly changing and things that are true today may not be tomorrow. At the time i was on a transit bus going to work. It wasn't anything major everything felt okay then really okay, and everyone on the bus okay. Then i just felt i was where i was suppose to be, doing what i was suppose do, i just felt like my consciousness might have went up a couple clicks ...at the time anyway. It's hard to explan actually. Just better. I'm not sure if "suppose" is the best word. I think there are probably enlightened all over including here. Although I'm sure some are fooling themselves.
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Post by freejoy on Jan 22, 2015 17:51:32 GMT -5
It's the enlightened that God comes into this world thorough. It's like the trickled down effect. God experiencing itself thorough enlightened people, then effecting all it comes into contact with. Like a spinning top bumping into slower spinning tops speeding them up. It sounds like you can get pregnant through osmosis or something. That strikes me as a bit of a weird notion. You mean like Jesus mom? :)
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Post by silver on Jan 22, 2015 18:13:52 GMT -5
It sounds like you can get pregnant through osmosis or something. That strikes me as a bit of a weird notion. You mean like Jesus mom? No, I hadn't thought of that one, ha ha funny! I mean that when I was in middle school, there was the joke about how some kids thought you could get pregnant by kissing or making out...without going all the way. So, I made the parallel that you think you can get enlightened or find your true path by hanging out with enlightened people. You have to 'do it'.
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2015 19:17:14 GMT -5
... you mean, here?? Good intuition 'cause that conclusion just can't be wrong, but if it was dependent on conditions then how could it be stable? Did you want to write about what it was that you were doing that you thought you were supposed to be doing? I'd be curious to hear about that ... Well the thing about intuition is that life is dynamic and constantly changing and things that are true today may not be tomorrow. At the time i was on a transit bus going to work. It wasn't anything major everything felt okay then really okay, and everyone on the bus okay. Then i just felt i was where i was suppose to be, doing what i was suppose do, i just felt like my consciousness might have went up a couple clicks ...at the time anyway. It's hard to explan actually. Just better. I'm not sure if "suppose" is the best word. So it wasn't tied to any particular doing then? Just a feeling of "ok-ness" ... or perhaps, the absence of a feeling that you should be doing something? Perhaps the absence of questioning whether you were on a path to enlightenment? I think there are probably enlightened all over including here. Although I'm sure some are fooling themselves. Just notice when someone makes eye contact, especially if they don't want anything from you in that instant.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 22, 2015 21:03:43 GMT -5
I was only pointing out that his view is going to be a tiny minority here.......but he doesn't have to be overwhelmed, or leave. And thanks for helping me point that out. Like SDP, I, too, warn people about this website. Most people who visit this site will have their viewpoints and statements attacked/challenged/questioned/derided/mocked/etc., and unless they are extremely self confident, or have a certain degree of realization, they will usually leave and search for sites that are less confrontational. I know this because of PM's and emails I've received from people who were frightened by what they encountered here. I always tell them that this is a rough neighborhood and not one for those who are faint of heart. Ha ha. For this reason we have many lurkers here who never post. You wear that like a badge of honor, as if it has value.. it alienates sincere seekers, and feeds the confrontational self-image of those willing to believe they are so right that attacking, deriding, and mocking, makes them 'righter'.. employing those tactics reveals a lack of trust in the actuality of that confrontational believer's beliefs..
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Post by earnest on Jan 22, 2015 21:34:30 GMT -5
Like SDP, I, too, warn people about this website. Most people who visit this site will have their viewpoints and statements attacked/challenged/questioned/derided/mocked/etc., and unless they are extremely self confident, or have a certain degree of realization, they will usually leave and search for sites that are less confrontational. I know this because of PM's and emails I've received from people who were frightened by what they encountered here. I always tell them that this is a rough neighborhood and not one for those who are faint of heart. Ha ha. For this reason we have many lurkers here who never post. You wear that like a badge of honor, as if it has value.. it alienates sincere seekers, and feeds the confrontational self-image of those willing to believe they are so right that attacking, deriding, and mocking, makes them 'righter'.. employing those tactics reveals a lack of trust in the actuality of that confrontational believer's beliefs.. dats just your beliefs shining through my friend. I like the confrontational nature of this place and appreciate the time and effort people put into it. I liken it to having these dudes hanging around. I would call myself a sincere seeker, earnest even, and I feel completely at home here.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 22, 2015 22:16:32 GMT -5
You wear that like a badge of honor, as if it has value.. it alienates sincere seekers, and feeds the confrontational self-image of those willing to believe they are so right that attacking, deriding, and mocking, makes them 'righter'.. employing those tactics reveals a lack of trust in the actuality of that confrontational believer's beliefs.. dats just your beliefs shining through my friend. I like the confrontational nature of this place and appreciate the time and effort people put into it. I liken it to having these dudes hanging around. I would call myself a sincere seeker, earnest even, and I feel completely at home here. Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. Why do you like the confrontational nature of this place? Are you confrontational? Do you believe that confrontation is useful for revealing clarity?
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