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Post by laughter on Oct 13, 2014 9:42:54 GMT -5
There's no mistake Enigma clearly voted for number 1.......- Expressions are separate, finite, limited and dual. If the ONLY other option had been 'expressions are all the same, infinite, unlimited and absolute', then Enigma's choice would make sense and I could have agreed that it was the closest approximation. But it wasn't the only other option. And he can always choose again. Too much pride involved through probably. "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth" -- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf |
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Post by andrew on Oct 13, 2014 9:45:46 GMT -5
There's no mistake Enigma clearly voted for number 1.......- Expressions are separate, finite, limited and dual. If the ONLY other option had been 'expressions are all the same, infinite, unlimited and absolute', then Enigma's choice would make sense and I could have agreed that it was the closest approximation. But it wasn't the only other option. And he can always choose again. Too much pride involved through probably. "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth" -- Adolph Hitler, Mein KampfInvoking Hitler?  He put himself on the line and picked number 1. Given the other choices available, it was a very questionable pick. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 13, 2014 9:48:07 GMT -5
Between here and here Andy admits that he is essentially seeking Self-improvement (quotiness intended). wiggles, on the other hand does a chiggy-wiggy to avoid sounding "done" while at the same time denying that she's seeking. Yes, I'd agree, opposite ends of the extreme. More like Divine Compliments The Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine (and that's even if I agree with you...I'm not sure I do, but I'm happy to play along) Arrogant much? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 9:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Oct 13, 2014 9:52:08 GMT -5
"A lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth" -- Adolph Hitler, Mein KampfInvoking Hitler? It's the LOA in action! He put himself on the line and picked number 1. Given the other choices available, it was a very questionable pick. stop using logic to conclude that you know what enigma thinks because you always misstate the conclusion to fit your agenda. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 13, 2014 9:53:47 GMT -5
More like Divine Compliments The Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine (and that's even if I agree with you...I'm not sure I do, but I'm happy to play along) Arrogant much? thought you would appreciate that! |
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Post by laughter on Oct 13, 2014 9:58:37 GMT -5
thought you would appreciate that! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 10:06:23 GMT -5
thought you would appreciate that! you come across as such a nice friendly chap what the hell is going on with you? what voodoo have you gotten mixed up in?  edit: granted, I'll admit I phrased this comment poorly, and these types of questions don't generally begin open honest discussions .. but when you strip away the negative personal connotations .. they are after all 'just questions', which if answered without the typical defensive or attack protocols .. could lead to an understanding |
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Post by figgles on Oct 13, 2014 11:32:43 GMT -5
That's part of the "seeing what I wanna' see rather than what's there" industry.  Yeah, just interesting that she sees only poo in her discussion partners. Have you noticed? Something not quite adding up again. Believe it or not Reefs, beneath the surface seeing of 'poo'....  .... is actually a deep appreciation for all of you who provide the challenges to my position that you do. & I know it's not something that gets voiced in the heat of debate, but underlying all that, is an understanding that folks who have an interest in going toe to toe, holding up their current spiritual views to the level of scrutiny and comparison that happens in these discussions, are few and far between...rare birds in that sense......so yes, while at times I might say something akin to 'you're so full of sh*t, yer terlet is jealous'  ......I actually have far greater appreciation for you than you might realize.  IN particular this morning, I'm seeing this very clearly....  |
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Post by andrew on Oct 13, 2014 11:52:45 GMT -5
thought you would appreciate that! you come across as such a nice friendly chap what the hell is going on with you? what voodoo have you gotten mixed up in? edit: granted, I'll admit I phrased this comment poorly, and these types of questions don't generally begin open honest discussions .. but when you strip away the negative personal connotations .. they are after all 'just questions', which if answered without the typical defensive or attack protocols .. could lead to an understanding I can be a nice friendly chap, however, I can also lack patience and tolerance when it comes to certain viewpoints, characteristics and energies. I actually have far more tolerance for Renigter than I do those that drop in once a month just to add negativity to a conversation. If I'm speaking to you, you can basically assume that I have time for you, even if I don't agree with you. Though to be clear, there are some I don't speak to here that I do have time for...there just isn't much to say to them. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 13, 2014 11:56:59 GMT -5
Yeah, just interesting that she sees only poo in her discussion partners. Have you noticed? Something not quite adding up again. Believe it or not Reefs, beneath the surface seeing of 'poo'.... .... is actually a deep appreciation for all of you who provide the challenges to my position that you do. & I know it's not something that gets voiced in the heat of debate, but underlying all that, is an understanding that folks who have an interest in going toe to toe, holding up their current spiritual views to the level of scrutiny and comparison that happens in these discussions, are few and far between...rare birds in that sense......so yes, while at times I might say something akin to 'you're so full of sh*t, yer terlet is jealous' ......I actually have far greater appreciation for you than you might realize. IN particular this morning, I'm seeing this very clearly.... I think you said what I also said in a somewhat nicer way! (I mean yours was nicer!) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 12:09:06 GMT -5
you come across as such a nice friendly chap what the hell is going on with you? what voodoo have you gotten mixed up in? edit: granted, I'll admit I phrased this comment poorly, and these types of questions don't generally begin open honest discussions .. but when you strip away the negative personal connotations .. they are after all 'just questions', which if answered without the typical defensive or attack protocols .. could lead to an understanding I can be a nice friendly chap, however, I can also lack patience and tolerance when it comes to certain viewpoints, characteristics and energies. I actually have far more tolerance for Renigter than I do those that drop in once a month just to add negativity to a conversation. If I'm speaking to you, you can basically assume that I have time for you, even if I don't agree with you. Though to be clear, there are some I don't speak to here that I do have time for...there just isn't much to say to them. ok, fare thee well then |
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Post by enigma on Oct 13, 2014 13:13:05 GMT -5
Really, it's just a more sophisticated version of the positive thinking escape plan. Ain't that s'posed to help ya' make friends and influence peeps??  Don't seem to be werkin' all that wells for poor 'ole wiggly!  The problem with the positive thinking escape plan is that it's necessary to pretend the stick one is swinging around has only one end, which inevitably results in poking oneself in the eye with the invisible end. |
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Post by enigma on Oct 13, 2014 13:15:10 GMT -5
The problem with saying appearances are only apparently separate is that it implies appearances are actualities that are connected together. Appearances are just apparent, which is why they're called appearances. What you've been trying to do is talk about appearances as non-separate in a non-dual context, so you've been mixing contexts. Understanding how appearances form can stop the confusion. But andy has written that he embraces his confusion, so he has not interest in addressing that. But what if it's an un-interest? |
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Post by enigma on Oct 13, 2014 13:20:05 GMT -5
Apparently. What would you approve of as an "actual divide"? Obviously, a physical divider won't do, and neither will a conceptual one. Isn't it true that definitive separation is just an idea, like all other ideas, no more or less 'actual' than the appearances themselves? You imagine an appearance, then look for something beyond your imagination to tell you it's 'actually' separate from something. An 'actual' divide would be a distinct and finite point that is measurable. We cannot find that point in an appearance. There is no 'actual' divide. They just 'appear' to be finite and distinct, hence why they 'appear' to be separate. That's my point, they don't appear to be separate to begin with, so you don't have to confirm or deny that separation. |
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.... is actually a deep appreciation for all of you who provide the challenges to my position that you do. & I know it's not something that gets voiced in the heat of debate, but underlying all that, is an understanding that folks who have an interest in going toe to toe, holding up their current spiritual views to the level of scrutiny and comparison that happens in these discussions, are few and far between...rare birds in that sense......so yes, while at times I might say something akin to 'you're so full of sh*t, yer terlet is jealous' 
