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Post by laughter on Jul 14, 2014 21:06:59 GMT -5
Well then that means that the good news is, at the time of my reply to you, that there were one hundred thirty nine thousand and thirty two red-blooded American body/minds that know better. .. (so that leaves almost 3 million foreigners who misname soccer "football", so they don't count) It would make a sizable club with significant dues revenue. (** gets stock quote on toaster makers **)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 7:30:50 GMT -5
Basically he knows his life is totally absurd and full of suffering in the conventional sense of the word and yet chooses it over death. Why is that? Because he'd rather live with all its toils than not. Freedom entails life. Freedom doesn't exist in nonexistence. Sure. My point (to Camus, really) was that acceptance is not necessarily part of that scenario, as he said it was. Realization of the absurd is not the same as acceptance of the situation. Also, Niz' ax swinging aside, death is not non-existence. A perennial favorite in Terror Management Theorizing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 8:08:16 GMT -5
Sure. My point (to Camus, really) was that acceptance is not necessarily part of that scenario, as he said it was. Realization of the absurd is not the same as acceptance of the situation. Also, Niz' ax swinging aside, death is not non-existence. A perennial favorite in Terror Management Theorizing. what's this terror management bizness all about? btw - I don't think the original TMT pointer can be improved upon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 8:18:28 GMT -5
A perennial favorite in Terror Management Theorizing. what's this terror management bizness all about? btw - I don't think the original TMT pointer can be improved upon I agree with you on that. But I also like Terror Management Theory. And the two meanings for TMT are linked. rupa proposed 'terror management theory' as what happens when folks face their imminent demise and try to make sense of it.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 15, 2014 21:11:17 GMT -5
He he, are you sure that would happen? Well I think that was the scenario, if I'm not mistaken. Basically you can push this boulder up the hill ad infinitum or die. Oh, I guess I hadn't read enough into it. I thought you were half jesting with me, er sum'm. In a sense, whoever said that has defined their context. Is it yours and/or are you looming for something a bit 'beyond'?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 9:40:28 GMT -5
Well I think that was the scenario, if I'm not mistaken. Basically you can push this boulder up the hill ad infinitum or die. Oh, I guess I hadn't read enough into it. I thought you were half jesting with me, er sum'm. In a sense, whoever said that has defined their context. Is it yours and/or are you looming for something a bit 'beyond'? I've nothing to go on that would lend me a guess in the 'beyond' department, so I'm sticking with the guess that when the body dies any capacity for awareness or being or existence also ceases. What's left is just rapidly changing molecules and energy and twisted memories in others and whatever other traces leftover, like the ramblings and ravings of maxdprophet here at ST.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 17, 2014 11:10:33 GMT -5
If a peep takes themselves as actually separate then they're bound to take entropy personally every once and awhile. my unofficial guess says 99.99% of worldwide peeps take themselves as actually separate; toiling away with their personal boulders....... its the norm, ain't it dude? I wonder where the impetus to challenge that thinking comes from? or the perseverance to see it through......... Should be less. Just think about all these little guys...
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Post by Reefs on Jul 17, 2014 11:15:07 GMT -5
So if one is thusly motivated, the source of suffering is really the attachment to life, and given that attachment, there is only conditional acceptance possible. To accept the situation as it is as long as it doesn't lead to death, is not freedom. In that instance, death is freedom. Basically he knows his life is totally absurd and full of suffering in the conventional sense of the word and yet chooses it over death. Why is that? Because he'd rather live with all its toils than not. Freedom entails life. Freedom doesn't exist in nonexistence. Afraid to live and afraid to die.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:30:01 GMT -5
my unofficial guess says 99.99% of worldwide peeps take themselves as actually separate; toiling away with their personal boulders....... its the norm, ain't it dude? I wonder where the impetus to challenge that thinking comes from? or the perseverance to see it through......... Should be less. Just think about all these little guys... Just set that babe as my wallpaper.
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Post by runstill on Jul 17, 2014 12:34:12 GMT -5
Now there's a question, is that even possible , maybe it's more like a dropping of attention to 'I' which 'I' can't notice because it's the one giving attention to it's self....? What do you mean by this? Like hyper-self-consciousness? Maybe a better way of saying this is, ego has a death grip on holding attention to its self ?
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Post by zendancer on Jul 17, 2014 14:03:51 GMT -5
my unofficial guess says 99.99% of worldwide peeps take themselves as actually separate; toiling away with their personal boulders....... its the norm, ain't it dude? I wonder where the impetus to challenge that thinking comes from? or the perseverance to see it through......... Should be less. Just think about all these little guys... Cute pix for sure, but I think Farmer meant ADULTS who did not take themselves as separate. A baby hasn't yet conceived itself as separate, so the issue seems to be related to adults who have seen through the illusion of separateness and thereby become free from that idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:27:27 GMT -5
Should be less. Just think about all these little guys... Cute pix for sure, but I think Farmer meant ADULTS who did not take themselves as separate. A baby hasn't yet conceived itself as separate, so the issue seems to be related to adults who have seen through the illusion of separateness and thereby become free from that idea. Thanks. ahhh, life was so much simpler then, no existential questions, no TMT .. everything was provided just *pooping* *giggling* yada but yeah ... ADULTS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 8:22:10 GMT -5
Cute pix for sure, but I think Farmer meant ADULTS who did not take themselves as separate. A baby hasn't yet conceived itself as separate, so the issue seems to be related to adults who have seen through the illusion of separateness and thereby become free from that idea. Thanks. ahhh, life was so much simpler then, no existential questions, no TMT .. everything was provided just *pooping* *giggling* yada but yeah ... ADULTS sorry, couldnt resist it cheers , sunshine rolling on threw... refrain: Welcome kid to the human race, for 80 years you gonna be their slave (slaviour?) listen up to what your parents do.cause really they havent got a clue 1 first they bring you up tell you never tell a lie, then they bring you down because you really try they control anything but cant control themselves, got a heavenful of buttons to push you into hell and when they blow to pieces they will drop em all on you roll on, roll on true 2 they got their armour shining junky needles in the sky, they know its gonna kill them in an all time high got a banner that makes em feel so safe , they stand around it blowing try and make it wave and when the flagpole breaks they will blame you for the storm, better roll kid, roll on true refrain—welcome kid etc. 4 they hail free speech and then rape it with their lies, they use the word ''democracy'' as sand in their eyes their eyes so tight shut they cannot see they are bleeping´´ blind, their biggest hero is their own tiny mind their aim in life is to die slow and cheap, from the bitter GM harvest sown by their fellow creeps their doctors all get rich while their patients die like flies, cause their supermarkets loaded with a clusterbomb of lies if you protest they will blame it all on you, better roll.,roll on true 5 they serve you cancer and then call it dinner, their biggest thief is their hero winner their food is now a weapon of mass destruction, you get killed in a slow mass seduction this is what your parents do, hurray for life and roll on true.. yeah...welcome kid to the human race... we all hope you can find God's grace when you had enough of the kill and spill come live in a place like Auroville live in line with heaven's will enjoy a lasting dopeless chill come to a place like Auroville sunshine
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 11:45:53 GMT -5
take care bro my mother father and brother died from cancer, sister from a stroke, another brother got shot in the head, and another one from an infant heart defect our bodies are mortal, and if one thing doesn't do you in, then something else will I don't know what the big fuss is all about...... enjoy life, its all good ;-)
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2014 12:49:56 GMT -5
take care bro my mother father and brother died from cancer, sister from a stroke, another brother got shot in the head, and another one from an infant heart defect our bodies are mortal, and if one thing doesn't do you in, then something else will I don't know what the big fuss is all about...... enjoy life, its all good ;-) Heck of a list man.
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