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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 22:36:36 GMT -5
What, if anything.....are you defending? It looks to me, like he's just making an observation. That "observation" can't be known, unless he is inside Silence.....which means its probably something more like a biased judgment call, rather than an observation, as are most of the comments made between folks here.
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Post by silver on Sept 10, 2013 22:43:12 GMT -5
It looks to me, like he's just making an observation. That "observation" can't be known, unless he is inside Silence.....which means its probably something more like a biased judgment call, rather than an observation, as are most of the comments made between folks here. Why sure. An observation made to the best of anyone's ability to make it - life is the quintessential c.rapshoot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 22:45:49 GMT -5
That "observation" can't be known, unless he is inside Silence.....which means its probably something more like a biased judgment call, rather than an observation, as are most of the comments made between folks here. Why sure. An observation made to the best of anyone's ability to make it - life is the quintessential c.rapshoot. Do you see observation and judgement/assessment as the same thing?
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Post by silver on Sept 10, 2013 22:49:01 GMT -5
Why sure. An observation made to the best of anyone's ability to make it - life is the quintessential c.rapshoot. Do you see observation and judgement/assessment as the same thing? No, not really, but related chain of stuff that people do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 22:50:51 GMT -5
Do you see observation and judgement/assessment as the same thing? No, not really, but related chain of stuff that people do. Do you recognize any value in leaving out the rest of the links on the chain, leaving only Observation?
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Post by silver on Sept 10, 2013 22:54:24 GMT -5
No, not really, but related chain of stuff that people do. Do you recognize any value in leaving out the rest of the links on the chain, leaving only Observation? Well, no not really. I didn't necessarily mean that observation was all that was done but it could be. We're not in a court of law, after all...
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Post by laughter on Sept 10, 2013 22:54:32 GMT -5
We are 'human beings' or rather being playing the role of a human... In the loss of definition, the human being doesn't vanish, just the illusion of the separation from what the witness took the human being to be from what that human being isn't -- that does goes away, that illusion of separation does vanish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 22:55:22 GMT -5
It's an interesting phenomenon because some of what's said isn't technically false and yet it requires almost no common sense to see that there's something quite "off" happening with him. What I basically attribute it to is the fact that mind is never actually out of the picture. The whole business labeled spirituality is really just about healing mind and yet mind's insistence on attaching to the perfect explanation or view point is part of the illness. The tendency to objectify truth into something mind can hold up and examine is all too tempting for most and so one spends however long it takes to finally admit that's not it and try again to let go. Your screen name of Silence is really an oxymoron, in light of the fact you've never been able to stop thinking for even a moment... SILVER: In hindsight, is that an assesment/judgement call, or as you said earlier, "just an observation"?
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Post by laughter on Sept 10, 2013 22:55:32 GMT -5
No, not really, but related chain of stuff that people do. Do you recognize any value in leaving out the rest of the links on the chain, leaving only Observation? When you can stand and see your words of truth twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 23:07:29 GMT -5
Do you recognize any value in leaving out the rest of the links on the chain, leaving only Observation? When you can stand and see your words of truth twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools ...What is trapped, other than the invisible scent of of a vanished aroma?
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Post by laughter on Sept 10, 2013 23:17:00 GMT -5
When you can stand and see your words of truth twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools ... What is trapped, other than the invisible scent of of a vanished aroma? the silent song of yesterday and tomorrow
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Post by silver on Sept 10, 2013 23:23:25 GMT -5
Your screen name of Silence is really an oxymoron, in light of the fact you've never been able to stop thinking for even a moment... SILVER: In hindsight, is that an assesment/judgement call, or as you said earlier, "just an observation"? I went back and skimmed a little bit of silence's post that trf had made that response to, and in it, silence was 'critiquing' tzu, and in turn, trf was critiquing silence - it's a big, long chain of peeps 'critiquing' each other here. The observation/assessment / judgment call machine was operating in a spotty fashion, as is usually the case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 23:26:35 GMT -5
What is trapped, other than the invisible scent of of a vanished aroma? the silent song of yesterday and tomorrow Ahh yes, the Requiem of a never touched dream
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 23:29:06 GMT -5
SILVER: In hindsight, is that an assesment/judgement call, or as you said earlier, "just an observation"? I went back and skimmed a little bit of silence's post that trf had made that response to, and in it, silence was 'critiquing' tzu, and in turn, trf was critiquing silence - it's a big, long chain of peeps 'critiquing' each other here. The observation/assessment / judgment call machine was operating in a spotty fashion, as is usually the case. How is an assessment/judgement call, different than observation? What is fundamentally different between an assessment and an observation?
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Post by silver on Sept 10, 2013 23:30:24 GMT -5
I went back and skimmed a little bit of silence's post that trf had made that response to, and in it, silence was 'critiquing' tzu, and in turn, trf was critiquing silence - it's a big, long chain of peeps 'critiquing' each other here. The observation/assessment / judgment call machine was operating in a spotty fashion, as is usually the case. How is an assessment/judgement call, different than observation? What is fundamentally different between an assessment and an observation? Gosh, teach! An observation is simply looking at something. Assessment is when the wheels go round n round, heh.
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