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Post by zendancer on Aug 6, 2013 18:23:15 GMT -5
Freejoy: If you are seriously interested in writing a Will, and your assets are not huge or complex, it is relatively simple to do, but it is still worth learning about (on the internet or from a book). Here are the basics:
1. Write down who you wish the executor of your Will to be. Select someone who is trustworthy, intelligent, and willing to be the executor. 2. Specify that the executor not be required to post bond. 3. Specify that the executor not be required to inventory your assets and give a detailed accounting to the court of the distribution of the assets. 4. Have your signature on the Will witnessed and signed by two people, in each other's presence who are not related to you. Be sure that all of the signatures are dated and that the addresses of the two witnesses are included. 5. Let your relatives and the executor know where the Will will be located, so that if you die, they will know where to find it. 6. Tell the executor that s/he must get an estate tax ID upon your death, and a separate banking account must be established in the name of the estate. All funds must go into that account and be distributed from that account, so that there is no commingling of personal money with money belonging to the estate. 7. To avoid attorney fees, the executor can execute the two or three forms that the court will require to probate the Will, and those forms can be found online or in a book about the preparation of Wills. 8. In the Will, clearly state to whom your assets should be given, who would receive any insurance money, etc.
Having just settled an estate as an executor, I can tell you that it is not difficult to do, but it does require some rudimentary knowledge of how the system works.
If an attorney is made executor of the estate, the court will award a substantial payment to him/her which will be deducted from the estate. Sometimes the fee is reasonable, and sometimes it is not. I know of one case where a multi-millionaire died, and left several Wills, one of which left a son with no inheritance. His sisters thought it was unfair, and wanted to make sure that their brother received some of the inheritance. Unfortunately, they turned it over to lawyers and seven years later there was no money left. It was all eaten up in legal fees and endless squabbling. The sisters would have been better off to have taken the inheritance and then given their brother whatever they wished as a gift. As it was, the attorneys got it all.
There are many similar horror stories out there, so unless you know an attorney who is a family friend and highly trustworthy, you should pick someone who cares about your wishes, and is intelligent enough to settle your estate without charging the estate an arm and a leg. The executor should definitely be paid to do the estate work unless the executor is a major beneficiary of the estate.
Ha ha, as a disclaimer, I should add that these notes should not be construed as legal advice, and you are advised to check with your accountant or family attorney about writing a Will because the laws governing Wills varies from state to state. These notes are just a casual heads-up regarding the general issues involved. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 10:15:34 GMT -5
Freejoy asked that question to measure you up, not to get advice, and he is measuring you up to build a story in his head about "enlightened people" that has nothing whatsoever to do with dealing with his own life. He is immersing himself in a story about you instead of living in the reality of his own moment. If this what you're doing, Freejoy? Steven is trying to mess up my party. One has to be careful. No, actually I'm educating them. I already have the enlightened "measured up". Have you noticed they can't figure out if it's okay to buy the crippled a wheelchair but will give everything after they die. But not much before then. I find it very interesting. It seems much better to give before one dies. They seem plaged by the same conditioning the mess of ordianary people are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 10:33:09 GMT -5
If this what you're doing, Freejoy? Steven is trying to mess up my party. One has to be careful. No, actually I'm educating them. I already have the enlightened "measured up". Have you noticed they can't figure out if it's okay to buy the crippled a wheelchair but will give everything after they die. But not much before then. I find it very interesting. It seems much better to give before one dies. They seem plaged by the same conditioning the mess of ordianary people are. As far as I understand, the conditioning remains but loses it's plagueiness; there is no longer suffering or resistance to the conditioning. One buys a wheelchair or does not. There's not a lot of fretting about it. Same with Wills.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 7, 2013 10:45:16 GMT -5
I was wondering if it is a good idea to create a Will to leave my estate and accounts to someone? It seems like the compassionate thing to do, if there is any potential for dispute. Reduces the burden on your grieving loved ones after your death, if you have it all sorted out for them beforehand. Likewise it's a good idea to have a Living Will, in the event you are incapacitated and unable to make your own medical and financial decisions. Actually I'd rank this above the need for a regular will, because we are dealing with a mess right now due to an in-law lacking one.
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2013 11:06:00 GMT -5
If this what you're doing, Freejoy? Steven is trying to mess up my party. One has to be careful. No, actually I'm educating them. I already have the enlightened "measured up". Have you noticed they can't figure out if it's okay to buy the crippled a wheelchair but will give everything after they die. But not much before then. I find it very interesting. It seems much better to give before one dies. They seem plaged by the same conditioning the mess of ordianary people are. I don't know who "the enlightened" are. Unless you give everything away right now, you are not accounting for getting hit by a bus and dying before you have a chance to give things away. But let's shift this conversation a bit and look at having possessions. A man and his possessions create a system. Either that system can sustain itself or not. If that system can support itself then it also has the potential to support others. A system which cannot support itself needs external support and can become a drain if the dependence destabilizes other systems from being self-supporting. A man with possessions may be able to be more supportive to others than a man without possessions. What we call possessions and support can range from objects, to money, to knowledge and friendship. One must look at the situation with a holistic eye to see the whole system. Focussing on material possessions alone neglects the whole system. I tend to look at the ability and activity of support, but the system has to be self-sustaining before it can effectively nurse other systems towards being self-sustaining. If giving support erodes the sustainability of the supporting system, that doesn't help anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 13:33:58 GMT -5
Steven is trying to mess up my party. One has to be careful. No, actually I'm educating them. I already have the enlightened "measured up". Have you noticed they can't figure out if it's okay to buy the crippled a wheelchair but will give everything after they die. But not much before then. I find it very interesting. It seems much better to give before one dies. They seem plaged by the same conditioning the mess of ordianary people are. I don't know who "the enlightened" are. Unless you give everything away right now, you are not accounting for getting hit by a bus and dying before you have a chance to give things away. But let's shift this conversation a bit and look at having possessions. A man and his possessions create a system. Either that system can sustain itself or not. If that system can support itself then it also has the potential to support others. A system which cannot support itself needs external support and can become a drain if the dependence destabilizes other systems from being self-supporting. A man with possessions may be able to be more supportive to others than a man without possessions. What we call possessions and support can range from objects, to money, to knowledge and friendship. One must look at the situation with a holistic eye to see the whole system. Focussing on material possessions alone neglects the whole system. I tend to look at the ability and activity of support, but the system has to be self-sustaining before it can effectively nurse other systems towards being self-sustaining. If giving support erodes the sustainability of the supporting system, that doesn't help anyone. I always liked the endowement approach. The Carnegie Foundation is a good example. In this approach, you accumulate a large amount of liquid assets like cash, then create an investment endowment. The endowment then gives the majority of the proceeds from investing of the endowment to charity. In this way, the rndowment can keep giving oracticly forever. For example: If you place $100,000,000 you can give 5 millipn dollars to charity for 20 years and then the money is gone.....or, you can invest the money very conservitably and net a 7% anial return, and give 5,00,000 to charity every year for a thousand years...plus, the 2% goes toward growing the fund, which over time means that the 5 million donated will increase every year as inflation increases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 13:37:18 GMT -5
Freejoy, you have some weird internal stories about "enlightened people".
There are just people, forget the bit about "enlightened people" unless you come across an individual trying to get money from folks because they are "enlightened".
Other than that, what does "enlightened people" have to do with charity, seems like its more about wealth and poverty to me, what does enlightenment have to do with it at all?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 14:07:46 GMT -5
Freejoy, you have some weird internal stories about "enlightened people". There are just people, forget the bit about "enlightened people" unless you come across an individual trying to get money from folks because they are "enlightened". Other than that, what does "enlightened people" have to do with charity, seems like its more about wealth and poverty to me, what does enlightenment have to do with it at all? It has a lot to do with the suffering the enlightened inflict on humankind. Jesus prayed, "on earth as it is in heaven". Take a look at this quote by maxdprophet: This is like saying, "Enlightened people carry the disease but are immune to it". It's like saying I'm sick but don't care who I shake hands with. They carry the plague. The rest suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 14:08:45 GMT -5
Actually they are the ROOT problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 14:34:35 GMT -5
Freejoy, you have some weird internal stories about "enlightened people". There are just people, forget the bit about "enlightened people" unless you come across an individual trying to get money from folks because they are "enlightened". Other than that, what does "enlightened people" have to do with charity, seems like its more about wealth and poverty to me, what does enlightenment have to do with it at all? It has a lot to do with the suffering the enlightened inflict on humankind. Jesus prayed, "on earth as it is in heaven". Take a look at this quote by maxdprophet: This is like saying, "Enlightened people carry the disease but are immune to it". It's like saying I'm sick but don't care who I shake hands with. They carry the plague. The rest suffer. What disease? If you are talking about suffering, then yes, in an áss backwards way you can say they carry the "disease" but are are immune to it....but so what, its the same disease that EVERYONE has, "enlightened" or not, so what is the difference between shaking an "enlightened" person's hand versus anyone else's.... How are "enlightened people" the root problem when they are exactly the same as everyone else in this regard? And finally....where is this imaginary "enlightened person"....can you show me one? If you can find someone claiming to be an "enlightened person", maybe you should go and talk to them about being the root problem that you imagine? Here is a little clue fir you though...there is no such thing as an enlightened "person" Best your gunna find around here is some folks that have had Kensho experiences, and a few that spend a greater or lesser amount of time in relative or absolute Samadhi. Dunno about others here, but the closest thing I would consider to an "enlightened person" is someone who is always in a constant state of absolute subjectivity in either relative or or absolute Samadhi...and I don't know of any living being currently on planet earth that embodies that....I'm sure there is one out there someplace, but I don't know of any. I'm "working" on it, but it could take decades for my karmic patterns (habitual mind movement) to completely cease. Most folks these days in the west don't even care about the subjective state once they've had kensho, so you might do better looking in the east someplace....The Himalayas or possibly India or Sri Lanka. If you find someone who has completely released all their residual mind movement patterns and is in a constant state of Samadhi Subjectivity, let me know please :-) Seems very unlikely that you have ever encountered such an embodyment to cast judgement upon though...which means that the closest you've come is to find someone who has had a kensho experience but whom is basically still a normal person with patterns of mind movement an actions just like everyone else, with the acceptation that they have had an a realization about their nature and the nature of existence. And so what to the last...just because a person sees their nature, this does not stop them from being engaged in life just like everyone else, though it may mean that they get less absorbed in both the highs and lows of life that most people get pulled along by. Find someone that is constantly in a state of absolute subjectivity and then make an opinion, until then, quit making up stories in your head about how otherwise normal folks are supposed to act just because they had a good look at what they really are underneath their personal identity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 18:25:28 GMT -5
Freejoy, you have some weird internal stories about "enlightened people". There are just people, forget the bit about "enlightened people" unless you come across an individual trying to get money from folks because they are "enlightened". Other than that, what does "enlightened people" have to do with charity, seems like its more about wealth and poverty to me, what does enlightenment have to do with it at all? It has a lot to do with the suffering the enlightened inflict on humankind. Jesus prayed, "on earth as it is in heaven". Take a look at this quote by maxdprophet: This is like saying, "Enlightened people carry the disease but are immune to it". It's like saying I'm sick but don't care who I shake hands with. They carry the plague. The rest suffer. Haha...how exactly do you imagine that what you call enlightened people inflict suffering on humankind....what an absurd thing to say, how do what you omagine to be enlightened people inflict any more suffering than anyone else? Can you give me an example of some suffering that "enlightened people" have influcted upon humankind that non-enlightened people have not done in equal or greater proportion? Seems like you have some personal issues with what you call enlightened people, and are simply fixating on them in a way that makes them somehow soecial cases in your mind.... I'm not trying to pick on you, but you seem to be clinging to some rather pecular ideas that give you a distorted view of things. Seems like you have a bone to pick with some folks that abised you in the past so now you are creating this whole story of generalization about"enlightened people" and turning them into a boogy man....what if you had been mistreated by a Physician? Would you then spend your life chasing after Doctors and calling the "root" problem in society? Are you mad because you think that because "enlightened people" are indifferent to suffering and poverty....well I hate to break it to you, but our whole society is indufferent to suffering and poverty unless its right in their face, why are you singling out "enlightened people" as the root problem? Is it personal? Honestly, the vast majority of middle class folks in this country are completely indifferent to poverty a few blocks from where they live...I would say that as a percentage, wealthy folks are much more likely to do something (however minor in proportion to their wealth) about poverty than the other 90% of the population with their two cars, a house and a dog. Why not pick a fight with the whole middle class on the US, they are BY FAR the most indiiferent and apathetic group toward other's suffering and poverty?
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2013 19:21:19 GMT -5
It has a lot to do with the suffering the enlightened inflict on humankind. Jesus prayed, "on earth as it is in heaven". Take a look at this quote by maxdprophet: This is like saying, "Enlightened people carry the disease but are immune to it". It's like saying I'm sick but don't care who I shake hands with. They carry the plague. The rest suffer. Haha...how exactly do you imagine that what you call enlightened people inflict suffering on humankind....what an absurd thing to say, how do what you omagine to be enlightened people inflict any more suffering than anyone else? Can you give me an example of some suffering that "enlightened people" have influcted upon humankind that non-enlightened people have not done in equal or greater proportion? Seems like you have some personal issues with what you call enlightened people, and are simply fixating on them in a way that makes them somehow soecial cases in your mind.... I'm not trying to pick on you, but you seem to be clinging to some rather pecular ideas that give you a distorted view of things. Seems like you have a bone to pick with some folks that abised you in the past so now you are creating this whole story of generalization about"enlightened people" and turning them into a boogy man....what if you had been mistreated by a Physician? Would you then spend your life chasing after Doctors and calling the "root" problem in society? Are you mad because you think that because "enlightened people" are indifferent to suffering and poverty....well I hate to break it to you, but our whole society is indufferent to suffering and poverty unless its right in their face, why are you singling out "enlightened people" as the root problem? Is it personal? Honestly, the vast majority of middle class folks in this country are completely indifferent to poverty a few blocks from where they live...I would say that as a percentage, wealthy folks are much more likely to do something (however minor in proportion to their wealth) about poverty than the other 90% of the population with their two cars, a house and a dog. Why not pick a fight with the whole middle class on the US, they are BY FAR the most indiiferent and apathetic group toward other's suffering and poverty? Dude... Not only did you bite the hook Freejoy baited, You bit it a SECOND time 3 hours later. If there is such a thing as "enlightened people", they have no need for anyone to defend them against attack.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 20:51:04 GMT -5
Haha...how exactly do you imagine that what you call enlightened people inflict suffering on humankind....what an absurd thing to say, how do what you omagine to be enlightened people inflict any more suffering than anyone else? Can you give me an example of some suffering that "enlightened people" have influcted upon humankind that non-enlightened people have not done in equal or greater proportion? Seems like you have some personal issues with what you call enlightened people, and are simply fixating on them in a way that makes them somehow soecial cases in your mind.... I'm not trying to pick on you, but you seem to be clinging to some rather pecular ideas that give you a distorted view of things. Seems like you have a bone to pick with some folks that abised you in the past so now you are creating this whole story of generalization about"enlightened people" and turning them into a boogy man....what if you had been mistreated by a Physician? Would you then spend your life chasing after Doctors and calling the "root" problem in society? Are you mad because you think that because "enlightened people" are indifferent to suffering and poverty....well I hate to break it to you, but our whole society is indufferent to suffering and poverty unless its right in their face, why are you singling out "enlightened people" as the root problem? Is it personal? Honestly, the vast majority of middle class folks in this country are completely indifferent to poverty a few blocks from where they live...I would say that as a percentage, wealthy folks are much more likely to do something (however minor in proportion to their wealth) about poverty than the other 90% of the population with their two cars, a house and a dog. Why not pick a fight with the whole middle class on the US, they are BY FAR the most indiiferent and apathetic group toward other's suffering and poverty? Dude... Not only did you bite the hook Freejoy baited, You bit it a SECOND time 3 hours later. If there is such a thing as "enlightened people", they have no need for anyone to defend them against attack. Do you think those posts were written to protect Freejoy's imaginary enemies, or was it directed at Freejoy's skewed belief system?
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Post by topology on Aug 7, 2013 21:16:50 GMT -5
Dude... Not only did you bite the hook Freejoy baited, You bit it a SECOND time 3 hours later. If there is such a thing as "enlightened people", they have no need for anyone to defend them against attack. Do you think those posts were written to protect Freejoy's imaginary enemies, or was it directed at Freejoy's skewed belief system? I think you're punching a tar-baby.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 21:28:56 GMT -5
Do you think those posts were written to protect Freejoy's imaginary enemies, or was it directed at Freejoy's skewed belief system? I think you're punching a tar-baby. Probably....I had a few minutes to kill though ;-)
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