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Post by enigma on Aug 14, 2013 22:21:48 GMT -5
Silver is right. You view 'not knowing' as a practice even though you know better. You talked about turning attention away from thoughts, which is what she means by "ignore it". Typically, one cannot ignore what they think they know, which is obvious even on this forum, because there is belief and attachment. That's why it's usually necessary to see through those beliefs. Pulling attention away from thoughts may be effective, and may also be endless. In either case, nobody chooses to 'not know' unless they're playing games with themselves. Deliberate absence is not absent deliberation. HA! Yeah. |
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Post by earnest on Aug 16, 2013 2:28:05 GMT -5
Last reminder on those links. No worries if you're not sending them, but let me know either way. Here, Earnest, I'll help you get them: Tzu apparently is all talk and no walk. Here you are with a sincere interest in what he is offering and he is unable to honor that sincere interest. It really looks like he just responds to people he's in conflict with ideologically. He's moved to act then, but when it comes to someone who is coming to him with no conflict potential, he goes limp. That should motivate him.  thanks Top, but looks like the turtle is staying in it's shell  If Tzu hasn't got supporting material others might, and I'm still curious! |
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Post by earnest on Aug 16, 2013 3:42:14 GMT -5
On second thoughts, I can't be ar$ed following up on Tzu's sources.
Plenty of other stuff more worthy of curiosity. Chicken wings with spicy sauce for dinner!!! Wifey is away and there shan't be a single vegetable consumed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 4:19:46 GMT -5
On second thoughts, I can't be ar$ed following up on Tzu's sources. Plenty of other stuff more worthy of curiosity. Chicken wings with spicy sauce for dinner!!! Wifey is away and there shan't be a single vegetable consumed. wify vegetarian? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 4:21:31 GMT -5
Along the way on the spiritual path teachers tell you to increase your desire for liberation. At the same time, it is said to be a hindrance to desire it. "Give up the search, there's nothing to get", etc etc. As I understand it, renounce ALL desire except the desire for liberation. Is the desire for liberation not egoic from the beginning and how would it change over time ? Should I understand it as becoming desperate enough for surrender to happen? Any thougts and experiences on this? Thank you  The question is desire to be liberated from what? As for me, I reached a point that I was sick and tired of myself. I wanted to be liberated from myself, without being so drastic as committing suicide, or detaching like a zombie. I just got tired of all my stories -- the victim ones AND the more pleasant ones. getting unattached to mental-dialoque |
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Post by earnest on Aug 16, 2013 5:17:07 GMT -5
On second thoughts, I can't be ar$ed following up on Tzu's sources. Plenty of other stuff more worthy of curiosity. Chicken wings with spicy sauce for dinner!!! Wifey is away and there shan't be a single vegetable consumed. wify vegetarian? nah, but she's not a big fan of a meal consisting entirely of meat. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 5:35:43 GMT -5
nah, but she's not a big fan of a meal consisting entirely of meat. me wifes a vegetarian an she tastes devine!  |
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Post by earnest on Aug 16, 2013 7:26:55 GMT -5
nah, but she's not a big fan of a meal consisting entirely of meat. me wifes a vegetarian an she tastes devine! And,... This is where I shuddup before saying anything I'll regret later |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 7:46:17 GMT -5
me wifes a vegetarian an she tastes devine! And,... This is where I shuddup before saying anything I'll regret later yeups, hard to speak wiff ones mouthfull  |
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 16, 2013 9:01:19 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. hi Tzu, have you got any references (teachers, scripture, sutras etc) that talk about what we are? Thanks. Yes.. Be well.. Please forgive my forgetfulness.. i will attend to this today.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 9:39:23 GMT -5
I've talked about it repeatedly. The mundane analogy I often use is a mirage. Once it's realized it's a mirage, the thought to fill the canteen ceases to arise, but my point is that this realization (or the realization of the nature of ideas, whatever) must occur, and this realization must inform mind such that mind KNOWS the oasis is just a mirage. It's only then that the thoughts cease to arise. What I hear you talking about is bypassing the part where realization informs mind, and so you say there need be no understanding that the oasis is a mirage, but if there isn't, you'll still find yourself hopping on your camel and riding out to the mirage to fill your canteen. Lots of folks who have had some sort of realization are still camel riding because mind found a way to dismiss it instead of surrendering to it. All that's really required is maintaining light attention on an emotionally charged thought stream (noticing). This is effortless. Thought structures collapse away when ideas/beliefs are seen through (insight). This happens spontaneously. Why incessantly talk about something that requires no effort? I never understood the peeps that incessantly talk about mind. Mind does not win the game over mind. You are making this much more complicated than it actually is. |
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Post by silence on Aug 16, 2013 19:52:30 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Yes.. Be well.. Please forgive my forgetfulness.. i will attend to this today.. Be well.. How can it be forgiven? You told us you choose to have a poor memory. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 20:05:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Yes.. Be well.. Please forgive my forgetfulness.. i will attend to this today.. Be well.. Just gotta repost this post to self, 'cuz I wanna re-live the voice from justlikeyou's video Thanx Silence |
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 16, 2013 21:07:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Please forgive my forgetfulness.. i will attend to this today.. Be well.. How can it be forgiven? You told us you choose to have a poor memory. Keep at it.. the secret is in your trying.. of course i was speaking to Earnest, who would be the offended party, if i hadn't provided the references i did, today, so.. your part in your imagined drama, is of no consequence to me, keep at it.. it makes you so ineffectual.. Be well.. |
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Post by silence on Aug 16, 2013 21:11:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. How can it be forgiven? You told us you choose to have a poor memory. Keep at it.. the secret is in your trying.. of course i was speaking to Earnest, who would be the offended party, if i hadn't provided the references i did, today, so.. your part in your imagined drama, is of no consequence to me, keep at it.. it makes you so ineffectual.. Be well.. Well he should be offended. You chose to forget his request. |
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