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Post by silver on Jul 27, 2013 18:39:15 GMT -5
Good question. I've asked myself this and the honest answer seems to come from wanting to be free of conflict within. To be at peace with whatever may arise and to live as authentically as possible. I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want. Stop trying to know, knowing is the source of the conflict Let knowing go... Knowing is clinging, clinging is attachment, and attachment is bondage...knowing is bondage Good gawd, I find this knowing/unknowing knowing crazymaking, but seems that I sense a factoid about it - I mean, just now reading this thread, and reading your post made me think about the 2 sides of a coin - or turning a shirt inside out, heh. Isn't that all it is? It's not really disposing of all the stuff we've learned - we just 'overlook' it, or disregard it, or ignore it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
Stop trying to know, knowing is the source of the conflict Let knowing go... Knowing is clinging, clinging is attachment, and attachment is bondage...knowing is bondage Good gawd, I find this knowing/unknowing knowing crazymaking, but seems that I sense a factoid about it - I mean, just now reading this thread, and reading your post made me think about the 2 sides of a coin - or turning a shirt inside out, heh. Isn't that all it is? It's not really disposing of all the stuff we've learned - we just 'overlook' it, or disregard it, or ignore it. Folks attach an idea, an identification, a familiarity, a knowledge to every thing and every experience. This is a kind of absorption, a taking of a perspective that creates the illusion of an expierence of seperation and differentiation from the undifferentiation of God Union, or, if you are offended by the word God: Limitless, boundlass, undifferentiated Self. One can develop an intelectual understanding of oneness, but this is not gnosis of limitless boundless self. Knowing, identifying, understanding, recognizing, categorizing, discriminating...these are all a part of fixating into a perspective that creates an experience that is an illusion of a seperate or individuated Self. "Not Knowing" is the beginning of a releasing of the perspective that creates the experience of an illusion that seems to be reality... Your reality is an illusion based on perspective, and "knowing" is a way of holding yourself in that perspective. "Not Knowing" is the beggining of releasing from the perspective that creates the illusion of individuation, seperation, and differentiation...."Knowing" is a bit like a set of the blinders that they put on race horses to narrow the view. Removing the blinders is not analogous to turning the shirt inside out ;-) If you are centered in "Knowing", you are centered in a perspective that creates an illusion. There is no "wrongness" in this, it is just simply a kind of limited "Awareness of Self." |
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 27, 2013 20:23:34 GMT -5
There are a few kinds of knowing. The knowing of the ego is learned, from people books and life itself. There is the knowing from blood memory, stuff and knowledge past on to us by our ancestors and stored in our DNA. Then there is the knowing that only comes directly from spirit, from the conscious contact of the web of consciousness that connects us all. The spirit memory only comes to those who have done a lot of personal work to reawaken.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 27, 2013 21:28:53 GMT -5
Greetings..
Then... there is the knowing of when to walk away from the 'Spiritual Circus'.. seeing the lights and hearing the sounds of madness fade into the silent distance, feeling the ease of release and letting go.. wandering into the pathless land absorbed by the awe of its simple presence, the insanity of attachment disappears..
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 21:53:27 GMT -5
There are a few kinds of knowing. The knowing of the ego is learned, from people books and life itself. There is the knowing from blood memory, stuff and knowledge past on to us by our ancestors and stored in our DNA. Then there is the knowing that only comes directly from spirit, from the conscious contact of the web of consciousness that connects us all. The spirit memory only comes to those who have done a lot of personal work to reawaken. Then there is the perceiver that see's all this knowing... And it isn't a knower... |
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 27, 2013 22:30:56 GMT -5
Look at the brain like something that can store knowledge, knowledge that my be right or wrong, just information. The knowing that comes threw the connection to spirit does not need to be stored or remembered, but it can be stored as it is perceived. Earth knowledge can be false or true, but spirit knowledge is always the truth and right on the money. My ability to perceive clearly my be way off.
When I am tuned in and I focus my intent on a person place or thing, I can know all that there is to know about that person place or thing. Only in that sense can I be a knower. POTATO/POTATA
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Post by topology on Jul 27, 2013 23:13:37 GMT -5
Good question. I've asked myself this and the honest answer seems to come from wanting to be free of conflict within. To be at peace with whatever may arise and to live as authentically as possible. I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want. Stop trying to know, knowing is the source of the conflict Let knowing go... Knowing is clinging, clinging is attachment, and attachment is bondage...knowing is bondage |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 0:49:00 GMT -5
Stop trying to know, knowing is the source of the conflict Let knowing go... Knowing is clinging, clinging is attachment, and attachment is bondage...knowing is bondageHahaha, if you keep making these replies laced with sexual innuendo, I may start to believe that you do Eros me along with Agape and Philo lol |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 28, 2013 1:09:13 GMT -5
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Post by topology on Jul 28, 2013 6:55:31 GMT -5
For Top: *runs fingers through Reef's hair* I bet you say that to all the girls. |
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 28, 2013 8:34:32 GMT -5
"I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want." I felt this way. No clue what to do, no idea where to go, but somehow there was still this desire for something. What that something was was beyond me, but I think it was just wanting for the sake of wanting. The desire for more, like there's something out there we have yet to get. Shenanigans. It seems as though this body/mind is meant for action, too much inaction builds up as an energy that feels like desire even when no desire is identified and chased after....but mentation gets in the way of natural and wholistic action. drop the mentation, and let the body/mind go do it's thing unhindered....You will find that the body/mind that is set free of the mentation "operator" is amazingly energetic and active in a highly efficient way. without the "operator" of the body/mind in the way, doing happens unhindered by a "doer". set aside thinking, knowing, and choosing....and DO be action, not thought Steve I have tried to wrap my head around what you are saying about letting knowing go. I would like to tell you a story and see if this is what you are talking about. There is a saying that a mind is a terrible thing to waste and I tell people that a mind is just plain terrible, period. When I deal with native people and there mind set as far as spirit stuff goes, they just let everything go and all sorts of extraordinary things happen. People from what I call the white man world have to take all things apart to it's smallest piece, it has to be carefully labeled and put neatly on a shelf, before they can ever think about just letting go. I find when I am dealing with people from my culture, the white man world, I have to explain things to them before I can get them to the point of just letting go. To get the mind out of the way and just let things happen in ceremony. In the beginning of a ceremony I have to set an intent, but for anything to happen I have to get me and the other people's expectations out of the way. Is this close to what you are saying? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 28, 2013 9:01:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. I have tried to wrap my head around what you are saying about letting knowing go. I would like to tell you a story and see if this is what you are talking about. There is a saying that a mind is a terrible thing to waste and I tell people that a mind is just plain terrible, period. When I deal with native people and there mind set as far as spirit stuff goes, they just let everything go and all sorts of extraordinary things happen. People from what I call the white man world have to take all things apart to it's smallest piece, it has to be carefully labeled and put neatly on a shelf, before they can ever think about just letting go. I find when I am dealing with people from my culture, the white man world, I have to explain things to them before I can get them to the point of just letting go. To get the mind out of the way and just let things happen in ceremony. In the beginning of a ceremony I have to set an intent, but for anything to happen I have to get me and the other people's expectations out of the way. Is this close to what you are saying? Hi Ish: First, let go of your cultural prejudices.. As far as letting go of 'knowing', we can't "unring that bell".. our experiences and our 'knowledge' are integrated into who/what we are.. the common application of the 'knowledge' is that it is the standard against which the very organic and fluid happening of Life creating itself is judged, 'knowledge' becomes the lens through which we see Life and our own relationship with what 'is'.. 'letting go', for me, moans to release 'knowledge' and belief, to set it aside and be fully present and intensely attentive to what is actually happening.. if we can actually release our dependence on 'knowledge and belief', the resonance between our personal history of existence and what is actually happening evokes relationship with the moment that is uniquely our own without altering the authenticity of what is happening.. Be well.. |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 28, 2013 10:01:54 GMT -5
For Top: *runs fingers through Reef's hair* I bet you say that to all the girls. I can neither confirm nor deny that.  |
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 28, 2013 11:41:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. I have tried to wrap my head around what you are saying about letting knowing go. I would like to tell you a story and see if this is what you are talking about. There is a saying that a mind is a terrible thing to waste and I tell people that a mind is just plain terrible, period. When I deal with native people and there mind set as far as spirit stuff goes, they just let everything go and all sorts of extraordinary things happen. People from what I call the white man world have to take all things apart to it's smallest piece, it has to be carefully labeled and put neatly on a shelf, before they can ever think about just letting go. I find when I am dealing with people from my culture, the white man world, I have to explain things to them before I can get them to the point of just letting go. To get the mind out of the way and just let things happen in ceremony. In the beginning of a ceremony I have to set an intent, but for anything to happen I have to get me and the other people's expectations out of the way. Is this close to what you are saying? Hi Ish: First, let go of your cultural prejudices.. As far as letting go of 'knowing', we can't "unring that bell".. our experiences and our 'knowledge' are integrated into who/what we are.. the common application of the 'knowledge' is that it is the standard against which the very organic and fluid happening of Life creating itself is judged, 'knowledge' becomes the lens through which we see Life and our own relationship with what 'is'.. 'letting go', for me, moans to release 'knowledge' and belief, to set it aside and be fully present and intensely attentive to what is actually happening.. if we can actually release our dependence on 'knowledge and belief', the resonance between our personal history of existence and what is actually happening evokes relationship with the moment that is uniquely our own without altering the authenticity of what is happening.. Be well.. You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. |
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Post by topology on Jul 28, 2013 12:00:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Ish: First, let go of your cultural prejudices.. As far as letting go of 'knowing', we can't "unring that bell".. our experiences and our 'knowledge' are integrated into who/what we are.. the common application of the 'knowledge' is that it is the standard against which the very organic and fluid happening of Life creating itself is judged, 'knowledge' becomes the lens through which we see Life and our own relationship with what 'is'.. 'letting go', for me, moans to release 'knowledge' and belief, to set it aside and be fully present and intensely attentive to what is actually happening.. if we can actually release our dependence on 'knowledge and belief', the resonance between our personal history of existence and what is actually happening evokes relationship with the moment that is uniquely our own without altering the authenticity of what is happening.. Be well.. You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. The self proclaimed asshole calling another an asshole? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. |
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