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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 9:39:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. You've completely missed the point. I did just add something to it, but my guess is that this one help you any. I lost interest when it became another adventure in minding.. there's actually no 'point' to miss.. Be well.. then there's no need to pay attention to your first reply
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 9:46:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I lost interest when it became another adventure in minding.. there's actually no 'point' to miss.. Be well.. then there's no need to pay attention to your first reply I didn't.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 9:48:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. then there's no need to pay attention to your first reply I didn't.. Be well.. do you pay attention to anything you write here?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 9:56:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I didn't.. Be well.. do you pay attention to anything you write here? <contains sarcasm, not directed specifically at you> Why should i? as they say, it's just fingers typing on a keyboard.. <concludes sarcasm> I pay attention to everything.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 10:10:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. do you pay attention to anything you write here? <contains sarcasm, not directed specifically at you> Why should i? as they say, it's just fingers typing on a keyboard.. <concludes sarcasm> I pay attention to everything..Be well.. there's another one o' dem self-contradictions
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 10:22:38 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. <contains sarcasm, not directed specifically at you> Why should i? as they say, it's just fingers typing on a keyboard.. <concludes sarcasm> I pay attention to everything..Be well.. there's another one o' dem self-contradictions It's the difficulty of print media.. inflection and expression are lacking, such that the source of your belief about a "self-contradiction" is not what it seems.. Aside from that, yes.. i do pay attention to everything within my field of awareness.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 10:28:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. there's another one o' dem self-contradictions It's the difficulty of print media.. inflection and expression are lacking, such that the source of your belief about a "self-contradiction" is not what it seems.. Aside from that, yes.. i do pay attention to everything within my field of awareness.. Be well.. Well the self-contradiction is there in black and white ... if you mean that you meant to contradict yourself then there's no trusting what you write. I'll contradict myself sometimes ... sometimes for comedic value, sometimes when dancing around an expression of paradox ... but never to score points. Conscious self-contradiction without explicit acknowledgment goes by another name, a single word. Can you infer it?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 10:34:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. It's the difficulty of print media.. inflection and expression are lacking, such that the source of your belief about a "self-contradiction" is not what it seems.. Aside from that, yes.. i do pay attention to everything within my field of awareness.. Be well.. Well the self-contradiction is there in black and white ... if you mean that you meant to contradict yourself then there's no trusting what you write. I'll contradict myself sometimes ... sometimes for comedic value, sometimes when dancing around an expression of paradox ... but never to score points. Conscious self-contradiction without explicit acknowledgment goes by another name, a single word. Can you infer it? In your attempt to misrepresent what was intended for "comedic value", the "i didn't" expression, i've lost interest in your banter.. so, you tell me what you 'want' the illusion to be.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 10:42:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. Well the self-contradiction is there in black and white ... if you mean that you meant to contradict yourself then there's no trusting what you write. I'll contradict myself sometimes ... sometimes for comedic value, sometimes when dancing around an expression of paradox ... but never to score points. Conscious self-contradiction without explicit acknowledgment goes by another name, a single word. Can you infer it? In your attempt to misrepresent what was intended for "comedic value", the "i didn't" expression, i've lost interest in your banter.. so, you tell me what you 'want' the illusion to be.. Be well.. No point in continuing the discussion when you shut down like this. If you don't want to be confronted with the content of what you write ... then don't.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 10:53:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. In your attempt to misrepresent what was intended for "comedic value", the "i didn't" expression, i've lost interest in your banter.. so, you tell me what you 'want' the illusion to be.. Be well.. No point in continuing the discussion when you shut down like this. If you don't want to be confronted with the content of what you write ... then don't. Good.. your more astute than is evident.. the error is in your belief that there is something to "confront".. you've interpreted 'content' for your own intentions.. Be well..
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 5, 2013 11:12:12 GMT -5
what can you offer as evidence that there is no volition in what is chosen? We have no choice in the time of our birth or in the gender we will be. We have no choice in what family we are born into or the color of our eyes and hair. We have no choice in what language we will speak or the traditions we will follow, or the kinds of foods we will enjoy and eat. We have no choice in our name, the religion of our birth, the values we will be taught, the education we will receive. We have no choice about the amount of love or hatred our parents will have for us, the approval and disapproval we will receive from our peers, the thoughts of right and wrong, and ideas and beliefs conditioned into our head. Before the time of understanding we have no choice in our loves and hates, attractions or aversions, slaveries or compulsions, nor the relationships we will be attracted to. All in all we have no choice in the culturally imposed "person" we grow to becomes, and whom we will come "think" ourselves to be. In fact, we may even come to defend that "identity" to the death, and perhaps even come to put others on the rack, or even to death, for not being with us or our kind. But if we could see, on the level of personhood, that on the day of our physical birth, we were a blank slate, upon which our "personhood" was written by sheer circumstance, we might begin to look beyond "personhood" to see what it is that personhood itself arises in. If one could see, for example, that if I took you on the day of your birth and put you in a family in Paris instead of with your actual parents, today you would act and think all things French, or if I put you in a family in Lebanon you might be eating kibbeh and looking forward to your evening prayers just now, or if I put you in a family of cannibals in Borneo, you might be having serious complexes from not being able to catch and eat as many people in a month as your witch-doctor says you should. If you can see this, then you are able to see that "personhood" is not ultimately the real, but that who you are prior to your imposed "personhood" is getting closer to the Truth.
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Post by topology on Jul 5, 2013 11:14:19 GMT -5
Greetings.. In that case you can't equate "Control of" and freedom. This evokes, for example, a common facet of the consensus trance about wealth. I was never very materialistic ... never wanted the finest things -- but I did want lots of money in order to not have to work, to not have to worry about the future. The realization of freedom in this sense is related to "control of", and here we can see how certainty plays in because even if I had been able to get enough money to consider myself free there would have been no certainty of keeping it.Still, even without the certainty, the choice is made to gather money.. Be well.. Due to various requirements and assumptions, gathering money may be seen as the only recourse. I've got kids and debt. Abandoning those responsibilities would come with a whole lot of negative feedback from all directions. The effort towards gathering money is not much of a free-will without-duress, choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 11:19:35 GMT -5
We have no choice in the time of our birth or in the gender we will be. We have no choice in what family we are born into or the color of our eyes and hair. We have no choice in what language we will speak or the traditions we will follow, or the kinds of foods we will enjoy and eat. We have no choice in our name, the religion of our birth, the values we will be taught, the education we will receive. We have no choice about the amount of love or hatred our parents will have for us, the approval and disapproval we will receive from our peers, the thoughts of right and wrong, and ideas and beliefs conditioned into our head. Before the time of understanding we have no choice in our loves and hates, attractions or aversions, slaveries or compulsions, nor the relationships we will be attracted to. All in all we have no choice in the culturally imposed "person" we grow to becomes, and whom we will come "think" ourselves to be. In fact, we may even come to defend that "identity" to the death, and perhaps even come to put others on the rack, or even to death, for not being with us or our kind. It is quite possible that after we 'die' our 'stuff' becomes our 'personal effects." Which would express themselves as what's been described above along the lines of 'latent tendencies.' I don't 'know' this for sure.
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2013 11:34:21 GMT -5
Greetings.. Still, even without the certainty, the choice is made to gather money.. Be well.. Due to various requirements and assumptions, gathering money may be seen as the only recourse. I've got kids and debt. Abandoning those responsibilities would come with a whole lot of negative feedback from all directions. The effort towards gathering money is not much of a free-will without-duress, choice. What I wrote to E contained a context hop, and what you'll notice is that Bob obviously feels that any reference to or from the impersonal perspective is fair to address with games of deceptive parody. What's gone over here now is any illusion that money has anything to do with freedom. That and a few bucks gets me a cup of coffee.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 11:35:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Still, even without the certainty, the choice is made to gather money.. Be well.. Due to various requirements and assumptions, gathering money may be seen as the only recourse. I've got kids and debt. Abandoning those responsibilities would come with a whole lot of negative feedback from all directions. The effort towards gathering money is not much of a free-will without-duress, choice. There are options, you have chosen an option that suits your nature, safe and structured.. Be well..
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