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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 9:30:31 GMT -5
Okay, just clarifying for myself... a snark violation* sends the perp to the parking lot. They can't return to the saloon. Non-perp patrons can drift in and out of the saloon, interacting in both areas as long as they are within guidelines. A perp who's been exiled who dares tread in the saloon again gets the mega-boot from the forum all together, temp then perm. *snark violation = tightened moderation change There's nothing stopping the snarkers from participating in the "snark free zone", but if they keep snarking in it instead of snarking in the snarking zone... Peter is going to have to explain how he sees that working. My impression from Peter was that if you got booted from the moderated zone, you lose your rights to come back. All parking lot all the time. Otherwise it's not a big enough stick.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 26, 2013 10:53:28 GMT -5
Tzu is talking about a different idea though. He wants the functionality to have a thread where only two members have posting rights. I don't know if this is a technical possibility. But it could be possible with moderation. It makes sense to me that in the new proposed structure Tzu's mano y mano area would be a subgrouping within the unmoderated area, though it would require moderation if there is no proboards technical set-up possible. Yes it is possible, but would require the mod to enforce it or have Shawn give him the ability to create groups with permissions. The boards are capable of that arrangement, though. Spectators grouping and cage-match participant grouping. I suspect the mod doesn't really want to be involved in those situations though and will let anarchy and self-organization be the rule of law in the unmoderated forum if it's created. Hehe. "The Cage" vs. "The Lounge".
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 12:43:25 GMT -5
It'll be unchanged from how it's running now. So yes. Ah, I see, that's why the 'new' section will be the ne'rdowells. If someone trips the wires in the Nice section will they just lose permission to post there but will still be able to post in the curmudgeonly area? I'm thinking Escape from New York. How will a convict in New York be able to appeal to get posting rights again (assuming Kurt Russel doesn't hangglide in for a rescue)? So we would be adding a section where there is MORE ugliness than there is here?? I don't get it.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 12:59:30 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting question. I don't currently have any "group access controls" and I'm not at all sure that even if Shawn could activate such functionality that it could be set up to work in a hassle free way ie access to A, B and C by default and then withdraw access to one particular forum..... Also that doesn't seem like much of an incentive to persuade anyone to keep it civil. So I think I'd like to keep the existing Warning, Temp Ban, Perm Ban process for the moderated sections. So if you're trying to play Nice in the Nice area, but then your nondual Turettes Syndrome takes over and you cross the line, you'll get warned, then banned (temp or otherwise). This means that a violator of the Nice rules in the Nice area, who gets banned, loses all rights to post at ST, including NY, whereas this would not happen in the New York thread. Interesting. Folks who sense that their own behavior is perhaps consistently mispercieved as mocking may want to consider not posting in the Nice area, lest they get banned for good. What I don't perceive myself as is 'not nice'. Even when I'm approaching someone on a personal level, i don't see my self as being mean or belligerent in the approach. I do, however,often see the reactions as being that, and it seems natural to match that energy to some degree if there is to be a discussion at all. Hencely, I don't see the proposed division as between nice and not nice, but between personal and impersonal, which should effectively alter the perception of whether I am being nice or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -5
Ah, I see, that's why the 'new' section will be the ne'rdowells. If someone trips the wires in the Nice section will they just lose permission to post there but will still be able to post in the curmudgeonly area? I'm thinking Escape from New York. How will a convict in New York be able to appeal to get posting rights again (assuming Kurt Russel doesn't hangglide in for a rescue)? So we would be adding a section where there is MORE ugliness than there is here?? I don't get it. ![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/spacemonkey_fg/Blog%20Pictures%20II/EscapefromNewYork198114.jpg) Just remember, it's heaven on earth.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 13:08:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. Ah, I see, that's why the 'new' section will be the ne'rdowells. If someone trips the wires in the Nice section will they just lose permission to post there but will still be able to post in the curmudgeonly area? I'm thinking Escape from New York. How will a convict in New York be able to appeal to get posting rights again (assuming Kurt Russel doesn't hangglide in for a rescue)? So we would be adding a section where there is MORE ugliness than there is here?? I don't get it. We agree on this matter.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:08:37 GMT -5
Yes, 'confrontation' of that kind would be best in the other section, but again, spiritual forums is a good model (or was), in that there was a level of 'confrontation' but very little nastiness. Very few people join this forum and then stick around to post. I would say that many are put off by the antics here. My theory is that they're just disappointed that there's not a subforum on "Woodland Faeries". Hehe. My experience with forums is that way, way more peeps join than actually participate. The forum may not turn out to be right for them, for a great number of reasons, or they may just want to lurk now and then. There's also a natural limit on the number of active posters.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:15:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. Swell.. now there will be another tool in the bag of those that want to judge others.. you belong in the 'kiddy section', no you belong in the 'thugs section'.. and off it goes, again.. Let the non-persons debate their non person-ness with whatever decorum they like at 'Realizing Happiness', E wants people to 'grow the ef up', let him shepherd the 'last man standing' group over there.. Things work okay here, E and crew have a place of their own, why should they bully this forum into 'their' place? if it's not working at RH, figure-out 'why'.. Be well.. There's never been conflict at RH, and the reason is that folks like you are not there. There are a lot more drama queens, trolls and warriors like you on forums than there are grown ups, so it's likely the membership will never get very high there. That was expected from the start.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 13:20:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Swell.. now there will be another tool in the bag of those that want to judge others.. you belong in the 'kiddy section', no you belong in the 'thugs section'.. and off it goes, again.. Let the non-persons debate their non person-ness with whatever decorum they like at 'Realizing Happiness', E wants people to 'grow the ef up', let him shepherd the 'last man standing' group over there.. Things work okay here, E and crew have a place of their own, why should they bully this forum into 'their' place? if it's not working at RH, figure-out 'why'.. Be well.. There's never been conflict at RH, and the reason is that folks like you are not there. There are a lot more drama queens, trolls and warriors like you on forums than there are grown ups, so it's likely the membership will never get very high there. That was expected from the start. Whatever you need to believe to 'get you through it'.. i see you spend more time here, though.. how does that work, Mr. Drama Queen? need the drama, or just evangelizing for converts? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:25:44 GMT -5
My guess is that when the moderating starts there will be some subjects of that moderation that will express some surprise. ![](http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/yahoo/it-wasnt-me-yahoo-emoticon.gif) ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Beingist on Jun 26, 2013 13:27:09 GMT -5
So we would be adding a section where there is MORE ugliness than there is here?? I don't get it. ![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/spacemonkey_fg/Blog%20Pictures%20II/EscapefromNewYork198114.jpg) Just remember, it's heaven on earth. Hehe. "Escape from New York" vs. "Shangri-La" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:28:20 GMT -5
Will this mean that we have to be rasty and belligerent in the ne'er-do-well's section? (j/k) It could be called The Parking Lot. aaahhhhhh ... and oldy but a goodie! ... E' originated that in a metaphor directed toward living. This is the subject of a past failed dumpster dive ... Are you referring to the 'street Advaita' post? ![P-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/pirate.png)
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:38:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. If only that were accurate, but.. the Borg is not interested in anything but bullying people into submission.. it's not a 'fight' with the Borg, that would involve honestly getting involved and putting their beliefs at risk by actually examining them.. it's just a place where they can display more hostility without the staff feeling guilty for not doing something about it.. E wants to get tough and stomp his feet and threaten, but.. it's empty, it's virtual temper-tantrums.. if there's no intention to examine their own beliefs, why bother.. It sounds like a place for the indoctrination and reprogramming crew to fire-up those old tactic, again.. Be well.. Thing is, that they have been masters at 'working the rules' to their favour....they use the rules effectively as part of the bullying. I think the bullying may decline because they won't be able to do that anymore. We will see I guess. Steve is a classic example. His recent 'offense' was minor really compared to what happens here some of the time, yet he broke the rules and had to go. The criteria for 'bad behavior' is very subjective. I.E. are Tzu and Arisha being beligerant and hateful or are they telling it like it is directly for the good of the forum. Hencely, the criteria becomes mostly name calling, which is seen as unnecessary regardless of motive or the truth of the matter. If the new criteria is niceness, it will also be subjective, but with much less ambiguity. If the criteria is 'personal', it's relatively easy to determine as it will be pretty much Amity-ville. ***looking forward to logically analyzing ineffable spiritual concepts*** ![(puke)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sick.png)
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Post by silver on Jun 26, 2013 13:45:22 GMT -5
Thing is, that they have been masters at 'working the rules' to their favour....they use the rules effectively as part of the bullying. I think the bullying may decline because they won't be able to do that anymore. We will see I guess. Steve is a classic example. His recent 'offense' was minor really compared to what happens here some of the time, yet he broke the rules and had to go. The criteria for 'bad behavior' is very subjective. I.E. are Tzu and Arisha being beligerant and hateful or are they telling it like it is directly for the good of the forum. Hencely, the criteria becomes mostly name calling, which is seen as unnecessary regardless of motive or the truth of the matter. If the new criteria is niceness, it will also be subjective, but with much less ambiguity. If the criteria is 'personal', it's relatively easy to determine as it will be pretty much Amity-ville. ***looking forward to logically analyzing ineffable spiritual concepts*** ![(puke)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sick.png) Yaknow, you think you're being matter-of-fact and clear here, but it's just more mocking. Why are you so afraid of being left out of the conversation(s)? That's what it looks like to me. Youre' an attention frog. heehee.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 13:50:38 GMT -5
I suggest we also create a 'still mind zone' for Tzu where he can post his monologs and hack away on everyone more freely. We could call it 'Absolute Tzuth'.
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