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Post by Portto on Oct 23, 2009 17:44:09 GMT -5
Porto: Who is asking the question? (this is dharma combat) ;D Everyone! |
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Post by Portto on Oct 23, 2009 17:55:43 GMT -5
Gnossis, in one of it's most direct forms. The weapons can appear to look like episteme, but may or may not. The nice thing about gnossis, is that the experience changes when the understanding changes. It's literally like walking around with a stick in the rain, and then someone points out to you that what you thought was a stick was actually an umbrella. A duel of wits ensue where you attempt to prove it's a stick by showing the long pointy end then the other points to the button on the "stick." "Well, that's funny" you think, "I've never noticed that before" and you push the button. Suddenly the stick flings open to a full fledged umbrella. "Oh, I guess it WAS an umbrella the whole time." You lost the dharma combat, but now know you have an umbrella, which means you can finally use it as an umbrella and don't have to be rained on all the time. It's the same level of usefulness with dharma combat, but more about spiritual knowing than sticks and umbrellas (generally speaking - it COULD be about sticks and umbrellas sometimes I suppose).  What a clear analogy - Thank you! I find it very interesting that the experience (gnossis) changes when understanding changes. This means that when assumptions change, the experience changes - and it's true. |
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Post by zendancer on Oct 23, 2009 23:04:21 GMT -5
Porto: "Everyone" is a weak answer because the challenge involves our experience of the absolute. The absolute is unified, but "everyone" implies that there are others--perhaps many others--rather than oneness. These answers would be better:
1. Speak! Speak! (This turns the question around and attacks the attacker's understanding. There is only One here, but does the attacker, himself, realize that?)
2. Not even the Buddha knows that. (This acknowledges that the question arises from the unknowable but does not attack back. It is more like a parry to the thrust.)
3. Please repeat the question. (This, too, turns the focus back on the attacker, and answers the question at the same time. The one who is saying "repeat the question" is the same one who is asking and answering every question. If the attacker repeats the question, the defender can then say, "Thank you," and wait to see what the attacker does next. By saying, "Thank you," the defender has said, in effect, "Thank you for helping me to resolve the issue that you raised.")
4. If we were face to face, you could blink your eyes three times, or stand up, turn around, and sit back down in silence. You would have answered the question by concretely demonstrating who, or what, asked the question.
Gnossis is the basis for any attack or defense. It is what we "know" through direct experience, beyond words or thoughts, that allows us to see through the words (or play around with the words). Someone who has directly experienced the absolute "knows" -gnossis- that all interactions with apparently separate people are with oneness and that the apparent separation is just an illusion. Someone who still thinks that he/she is a separate entity will not be able to understand what's going on or keep up with the action. You can't think your way through this stuff without the direct experience.
AAR, it's all just fun and games. Have a great weekend.
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Post by Portto on Oct 24, 2009 8:05:13 GMT -5
AAR, it's all just fun and games. Thank you, Zendancer. Have a great weekend as well. |
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Post by Tihoi on Mar 10, 2010 3:37:51 GMT -5
The Great teachers of Human Evolution and enlightenment have one thing in common unconditional love for Humanity and Humanities development . Imre is of these great teachers, we welcome you to feel, to love and become. Love and light my friends. |
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Post by illumin8 on Mar 29, 2011 12:47:02 GMT -5
Imre’s extraordinary knowledge of human spirituality is derived not from scholastic research, but issues forth from his own Interior Realization. He spans the full spectrum of human experience: reaching through time, illuminating the great Spiritual Teachings and Sacred Languages of our planetary history while pointing the way to the future.
In 2008, Imre Vallyon and Sounding-Light Publishing were awarded first place in the prestigious Ashton Wylie Charitable Trust awards for the four-volume spiritual treatise "Heavens and Hells of the Mind".
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Post by illumin8 on May 13, 2011 20:37:02 GMT -5
"Planetary Transformation" is the newest of Imre Vallyon's books. You may find it on the soundinglight publishing website.
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Post by acewall on Sept 18, 2011 1:43:32 GMT -5
didnt Emre get put away for child molestation in NZ?
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Post by acewall on Sept 18, 2011 1:46:19 GMT -5
The Great teachers of Human Evolution and enlightenment have one thing in common unconditional love for Humanity and Humanities development . Imre is of these great teachers, we welcome you to feel, to love and become. Love and light my friends. calling Tehoi...... |
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Post by acewall on Sept 18, 2011 2:05:53 GMT -5
getting warmer....
He is out of JAIL.
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Post by tathagata on Sept 19, 2011 13:40:07 GMT -5
Porto: It all depends upon whether we're designing a rocket or a sewer system or searching for existential answers (LOL). The difference between tasting chocolate cake and thinking about tasting chocolate cake is the difference between gnossis and episteme. In all existential issues gnossis is always most important. Well said. |
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Post by tathagata on Sept 19, 2011 13:51:01 GMT -5
Porto: "Everyone" is a weak answer because the challenge involves our experience of the absolute. The absolute is unified, but "everyone" implies that there are others--perhaps many others--rather than oneness. These answers would be better: 1. Speak! Speak! (This turns the question around and attacks the attacker's understanding. There is only One here, but does the attacker, himself, realize that?) 2. Not even the Buddha knows that. (This acknowledges that the question arises from the unknowable but does not attack back. It is more like a parry to the thrust.) 3. Please repeat the question. (This, too, turns the focus back on the attacker, and answers the question at the same time. The one who is saying "repeat the question" is the same one who is asking and answering every question. If the attacker repeats the question, the defender can then say, "Thank you," and wait to see what the attacker does next. By saying, "Thank you," the defender has said, in effect, "Thank you for helping me to resolve the issue that you raised.") 4. If we were face to face, you could blink your eyes three times, or stand up, turn around, and sit back down in silence. You would have answered the question by concretely demonstrating who, or what, asked the question. Gnossis is the basis for any attack or defense. It is what we "know" through direct experience, beyond words or thoughts, that allows us to see through the words (or play around with the words). Someone who has directly experienced the absolute "knows" -gnossis- that all interactions with apparently separate people are with oneness and that the apparent separation is just an illusion. Someone who still thinks that he/she is a separate entity will not be able to understand what's going on or keep up with the action. You can't think your way through this stuff without the direct experience. AAR, it's all just fun and games. Have a great weekend. 3. Of course the answer "everyone" could also be pointing to the attachment to an existing idea of "oneness" LOL. "Neither two NOR one was called" might be a better response LOL. |
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Post by acewall on Sept 19, 2011 19:34:37 GMT -5
Porto: It all depends upon whether we're designing a rocket or a sewer system or searching for existential answers (LOL). The difference between tasting chocolate cake and thinking about tasting chocolate cake is the difference between gnossis and episteme. In all existential issues gnossis is always most important. Well said. well SPOTTED! Hey Bob, you made it into NZ. www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=550586&p=204&topic=43  post # 10,192 |
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Post by acewall on Sept 19, 2011 19:41:45 GMT -5
So many gurus get put away for sex offending... or have jilted tales of love told about them. Not having lived a full-life, before setting-oneself Up as a Signpost one should first expose their hearts difficulties in life, so as their followers can help them out. Society is damming when it comes to messing around, outsde ones age group. Still cannot find what happened....  calling Tehoi. |
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Post by Portto on Sept 19, 2011 20:27:50 GMT -5
Hey Tathagata,
You like to dig, eh?
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