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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 20:52:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. A river to a man seems like a river, but to a hungry demon which sees fire in water, it seems to be like fire. Therefore, to speak to a man about a river 'existing' would have some sense, but to this fabulous being it would have no meaning or 'non-existence'. So, when we talk about the nature of 'things' being like illusions, we are saying that they can be said 'neither' to be existent nor non-existent. Further, it is a mistake to identify this passing life for the changeless life of 'truth'. Yet it cannot be said that, apart from this world of change and appearances, there is 'another' world of permanence and truth. It is a mistake to regard this world as either a temporal world, or as a 'real' one. But ignorant people of this world conclude that this 'is' a real world and act on this absurd assumption, creating suffering. A wise man, recognizing that the world is illusion like, does not act as if it 'were' real, and so he escapes suffering. BhuddaA wise man is not troubled by such distinctions.. he pays attention, and does what is necessary for harmony.. Buddha was a babbler.. Be well.. Yeah, that's what he's saying about distinctions, and how ignorant peeps are to believe in the necessity for harmony...
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 4, 2013 21:04:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. A wise man is not troubled by such distinctions.. he pays attention, and does what is necessary for harmony.. Buddha was a babbler.. Be well.. Yeah, that's what he's saying about distinctions, and how ignorant peeps are to believe in the necessity for harmony... Like i said, Buddha was a babbler.. are you familiar with Buddha's story, his Life..? his struggle with 'illusion' has roots in the illusions his parents deceived him with.. he had a very hard time understanding the difference between fantasy and reality.. it seems he attracts similarly resonant energies.. That is not the evidence of a 'wise man'.. it is the evidence of someone that thinks if they pretend the suffering isn't real, it will go away.. and, so they find cause to ignore the suffering of others, and pretend nothing can or should be done, and so they contribute, by inaction, to the suffering they are pretending they are escaping.. it's a mind-game.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 21:18:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yeah, that's what he's saying about distinctions, and how ignorant peeps are to believe in the necessity for harmony... Like i said, Buddha was a babbler.. are you familiar with Buddha's story, his Life..? his struggle with 'illusion' has roots in the illusions his parents deceived him with.. he had a very hard time understanding the difference between fantasy and reality.. it seems he attracts similarly resonant energies.. That is not the evidence of a 'wise man'.. it is the evidence of someone that thinks if they pretend the suffering isn't real, it will go away.. and, so they find cause to ignore the suffering of others, and pretend nothing can or should be done, and so they contribute, by inaction, to the suffering they are pretending they are escaping.. it's a mind-game.. Be well.. I agree it's a mind game, and probly why you don't see, like the ignorant person, that your acting like your interpretation is 'real'...
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 4, 2013 22:05:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Like i said, Buddha was a babbler.. are you familiar with Buddha's story, his Life..? his struggle with 'illusion' has roots in the illusions his parents deceived him with.. he had a very hard time understanding the difference between fantasy and reality.. it seems he attracts similarly resonant energies.. That is not the evidence of a 'wise man'.. it is the evidence of someone that thinks if they pretend the suffering isn't real, it will go away.. and, so they find cause to ignore the suffering of others, and pretend nothing can or should be done, and so they contribute, by inaction, to the suffering they are pretending they are escaping.. it's a mind-game.. Be well.. I agree it's a mind game, and probly why you don't see, like the ignorant person, that your acting like your interpretation is 'real'... What 'interpretation' are you referring to? Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:17:34 GMT -5
Right. Meaningless conversation. Unless its not. Its speculation that its speculation. That means is speculative nature is unknown i.e. it might be meaningless or it might not be. It's TMT - as usual.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:20:01 GMT -5
*hands Enigma his Andrew decoder ring* It's a substitution cypher. I don't think he understands your use of realization as a verb and thinks you are using it as a noun. "A run through the forrest" is an event. Events are hybrid creatures. They are talked about as if they are nouns, but they are based on verbs and represent change in state. Of realization were a true noun, not an event, it would be a conclusion. Was it Farmer that said recently that he used to experience the silent gap between thoughts until silence became pervasive and thoughts appeared on the backdrop of silence. That shift between foreground and background is essentially for getting perspective on the whole shebang. Andrew anchors his whole understanding on the idea that it is all a play of ideas. We have no opportunity to hear if there is any silence happening in and around those ideas. Until the ideas are swallowed by the silence, it's going to continue to be fleas chasing their own tails. Yeah, it's clear he thinks realizations are ideas, so it doesn't really matter what I call them. He's going to assume I'm playing with ideas, which is really what everyone assumes who has never 'experienced' a realization. Tzu, for example, calls everyone's realizations beliefs, and calls his own ideas self evident clarity. It's that point of supposed self evident clarity that he and Andrew can rejoin as compadres and agree that illusory experience is, in fact, 'what is'. Andrews thinking melon never stops thinking.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:28:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. Speak plainly, openly, clearly, and you won't have to ask those unnecessary questions.. if you don't mean "spot of grease", why do you use the phrase? you say you're interested in clarity, but you speak in riddles and innuendos and mockery and provocations, do you see the inconsistency and contradiction? or, as your MO suggests, will you advance more of the same to cover your inconsistencies.. Be well.. Are you serious? Wow, the super literal club is larger than I previously thought.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:31:31 GMT -5
Sometimes I really do, yes. Ideas are seen to be imagination. That's all it means. You hear something weird that I can't discern, Silver want's a full definition of the term, and Tzu thinks it's part of my plot to confuse and take over the world. Yes, there's lots of insanity here. The idea that 'its all imaginary' would also have to be imaginary on that basis. Now, are you suggesting that there is something that isn't ideas, and that isn't imaginary? Even if its something 'that cannot be named'?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:39:35 GMT -5
Its absurd to suggest that I have never 'experienced' a realization, I couldn't possibly talk about all this stuff if I hadn't. Now, that's absurd, hehe.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:40:11 GMT -5
Isn't mind what plays with ideas?? All ideas happen in 'Mind', and 'Mind' is not collapsed. How many minds are there?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 4, 2013 23:42:05 GMT -5
All ideas happen in 'Mind', and 'Mind' is not collapsed. Great, now we have to deal with an Ultimate Mind. Andrew, ultimate master of delineation and divvy-upping.
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Post by andrew on Jul 5, 2013 2:13:47 GMT -5
Unless its not. Its speculation that its speculation. That means is speculative nature is unknown i.e. it might be meaningless or it might not be. It's TMT - as usual. What's being pointed to there is the transcending of mind, which is currently beyond your ken
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Post by andrew on Jul 5, 2013 2:15:55 GMT -5
All ideas happen in 'Mind', and 'Mind' is not collapsed. How many minds are there? 'Mind' refers to the totality.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 5, 2013 8:55:19 GMT -5
How many minds are there? 'Mind' refers to the totality. So the totality of Mind does not do seppuku, i.e. let go of Mind?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 5, 2013 8:56:24 GMT -5
What's being pointed to there is the transcending of mind, which is currently beyond your ken Which means transcending the play of ideas?
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