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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 10:49:14 GMT -5
You mean it has primacy, even above itself?!? *mind commits seppuku* Is that anything like hari-kiri? If my mind was not rolling on the floor writhing it pain from a botched suicide attempt, it would be saying yes.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 10:49:25 GMT -5
Exactly! Mind commits seppuku. Essentially the superceding realization collapses all former realizations, and even collapses itself i.e all realizations are released to the proverbial void. Wasn't quite the reason my mind was attempting seppuku in this case. Ah, did you stop it happening?
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 10:55:39 GMT -5
Wasn't quite the reason my mind was attempting seppuku in this case. Ah, did you stop it happening? Mind cannot kill itself, no matter how much it tries or thinks it can... It just had an allergic reaction to the order you were expressing. Let R be the set of realizations. Let A be a particular realization in R. You said For all realizations B in R, A > B, including A > A. Did not compute, so mind wobbled its way to the toilet to but didn't quite make it there. Sorry about your shoes, Andrew!
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 10:58:51 GMT -5
Ah, did you stop it happening? Mind cannot kill itself, no matter how much it tries or thinks it can... It just had an allergic reaction to the order you were expressing. Let R be the set of realizations. Let A be a particular realization in R. You said For all realizations B in R, A > B, including A > A. Did not compute, so mind wobbled its way to the toilet to but didn't quite make it there. Sorry about your shoes, Andrew! I would say that 'mind', in a narrow sense of the word, can collapse in on itself. That's what happens in the superseding realization....it supersedes all realizations, including itself. Its the end of realizations as we knew them.
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 11:01:47 GMT -5
Mind cannot kill itself, no matter how much it tries or thinks it can... It just had an allergic reaction to the order you were expressing. Let R be the set of realizations. Let A be a particular realization in R. You said For all realizations B in R, A > B, including A > A. Did not compute, so mind wobbled its way to the toilet to but didn't quite make it there. Sorry about your shoes, Andrew! I would say that 'mind', in a narrow sense of the word, can collapse in on itself. That's what happens in the superseding realization....it supersedes all realizations, including itself. You mean into a little greasy spot? The mind collapses, but it does not collapse itself. I think the term dissolve is better. It's something that happens to the mind, but not directed by the mind.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 11:10:09 GMT -5
I would say that 'mind', in a narrow sense of the word, can collapse in on itself. That's what happens in the superseding realization....it supersedes all realizations, including itself. You mean into a little greasy spot? The mind collapses, but it does not collapse itself. I think the term dissolve is better. It's something that happens to the mind, but not directed by the mind. No I don't mean into a little greasy spot. That's still collapsing into something.
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5
You mean into a little greasy spot? The mind collapses, but it does not collapse itself. I think the term dissolve is better. It's something that happens to the mind, but not directed by the mind. No I don't mean into a little greasy spot. That's still collapsing into something. I think you might be misunderstanding what Enigma means by a "little greasy spot" if you're thinking its a some-thing...
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 11:28:23 GMT -5
And that 'see-thru' realization is important and all other realizations are not? Sounds like a rigid mental position. I never said that other realizations are not important, that's your giraffe. There is no separation, there is no free will, the issue of free will is misconceived, there is no self, I am not the bodymind....these are all useful realizations that collapse attachments. There are others too. But there is one realization to rule them all, one realization to find them, one realization to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Hehe. Sounds exciting. And you also know the path to the mountain top of the realizations hierarchy?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 11:29:26 GMT -5
You mean it has primacy, even above itself?!? *mind commits seppuku* Exactly! Mind commits seppuku. Essentially the superceding realization collapses all former realizations, and even collapses itself i.e all realizations are released to the proverbial void. Why would mind do that?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 11:34:21 GMT -5
You seem to have cemented yourself in that 'all is just a play of ideas' position after your 'see-thru' realization. Don't take your realization so seriously. It's just a conclusion. The superceding realization cannot come with cementing, by definition of the realization. Again, you don't understand what is being pointed to or suggested. Oh, now you are just pointing, too? That's getting better and betterer. First you say that a realization is kinda worthless and our pointing useless and now you are telling us about this one crucial realization that beats them all and how your speech is also just a pointer after all?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 11:45:14 GMT -5
Mind cannot kill itself, no matter how much it tries or thinks it can... It just had an allergic reaction to the order you were expressing. Let R be the set of realizations. Let A be a particular realization in R. You said For all realizations B in R, A > B, including A > A. Did not compute, so mind wobbled its way to the toilet to but didn't quite make it there. Sorry about your shoes, Andrew! I would say that 'mind', in a narrow sense of the word, can collapse in on itself. That's what happens in the superseding realization....it supersedes all realizations, including itself. Its the end of realizations as we knew them. And you had that realization, of course. Or else you couldn't tell us about how it all works. And you are also absolutely certain about all of this. So far you didn't indicate that you are just speculating. You've had the realization of all realizations. So, basically, you are done?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 11:47:14 GMT -5
You mean into a little greasy spot? The mind collapses, but it does not collapse itself. I think the term dissolve is better. It's something that happens to the mind, but not directed by the mind. No I don't mean into a little greasy spot. That's still collapsing into something. Well, Mr Extra-Literal, 'little greasy spot' is a pointer.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 3, 2013 11:52:44 GMT -5
No I don't mean into a little greasy spot. That's still collapsing into something. Well, Mr Extra-Literal, 'little greasy spot' is a pointer. Andrew isn't extra-literal, he's extramental.
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Post by silver on Jul 3, 2013 11:53:42 GMT -5
No I don't mean into a little greasy spot. That's still collapsing into something. I think you might be misunderstanding what Enigma means by a "little greasy spot" if you're thinking its a some-thing... If you guys are so sure about your definitions of things like 'little greasy spot' and all those other nebulous words n phrases, why hasn't anybody posted a dictionary thread? That would be ever so helpful as a guide for the unfamiliar. How 'bout it Reefy? Well...you used to like making lists. Just a - thought.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 3, 2013 11:55:41 GMT -5
I think you might be misunderstanding what Enigma means by a "little greasy spot" if you're thinking its a some-thing... If you guys are so sure about your definitions of things like 'little greasy spot' and all those other nebulous words n phrases, why hasn't anybody posted a dictionary thread? That would be ever so helpful as a guide for the unfamiliar. How 'bout it Reefy? Well...you used to like making lists. Just a - thought. 'Little greasy spot', et al is Enigmese. You should ask him. But, he'll probably just say your question is misconceived. So good luck with that, Ag.
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