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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 9:37:15 GMT -5
No. I had a realization about the nature of ideas/things, and in that realization, 'realizations' themselves were seen through. Might be wrong but you seem to be basking in a realization, which is all part of the process, but that too will pass. of course you're wrong .. you're Andrew. tehe "basking" is not correct, but yes, something is different, and it hasn't sorted its self out yet. no worries, and essentially nothing has changed, so I'm not sure what to say about it. besides, in my situation, only a crack has opened. there are many miles to go before I can sleep. ;-) okay. Sometimes I use the word 'stuck' to describe what I see in people, and I use that word to describe the cementing of a position following a realization. It doesn't sound to me like you are cementing.
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 9:39:23 GMT -5
Want to make something clear E. I don't consider you an enemy. In fact, I basically like talking to you. I think you are wrong about stuff, and I think your frame of reference is limiting to say the least, yet I experience a general harmlessness to your energy, and that's good enough for me. At most, I might say you a bit of an... 'adversary', but only on the forum. Okey dokey.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 3, 2013 9:40:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. I have the experience of being able to make a choice, of having a sense of control at times, of being able to cause something to happen. I also have the experience of someone calling my name and recognizing that that is me they are talking to. And all of that may be illusion, or delusion, but it doesn't matter. I'm not trying to run away from it. Right, you're trying to run away from what's really happening in favor of what seems to be happening. After all your spearatuall work you've come full circle back to self delusion. <contains sarcasm> Annnnd.. the Golden Gavel goes to Enigma.. for consistently judging people through the lens of his own unsupportable beliefs.. <concludes sarcasm> Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 9:41:06 GMT -5
The issue is not about whether something is real or illusion Spoken like a true sand-eater. I'm gonna steal the sand-eater thingy. Hehe.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 9:42:09 GMT -5
I have the experience of being able to make a choice, of having a sense of control at times, of being able to cause something to happen. I also have the experience of someone calling my name and recognizing that that is me they are talking to. And all of that may be illusion, or delusion, but it doesn't matter. I'm not trying to run away from it. Right, you're trying to run away from what's really happening in favor of what seems to be happening. After all your spearatuall work you've come full circle back to self delusion. When you push a button on your computer, you do it with the intention of it coming on, yes? When you put a car in gear, there is a some slight sense of being in control of the car, yes? As opposed to when the car is careering out of control after hitting some ice. When someone calls your name, you recognize that they are talking to you, don't you? When you are at the grocery store, you choose between products don't you? It may well all be delusion, but its not the point. This is an experience of physical reality and that stuff is part of the experience. Of course you can say that 'physical reality' is an illusion but that's not going to change the experience. I have come back full circle, no longer insistent on putting a boundary up between reality/illusion, clarity/delusion, actuality/imagination, truth/falsity. The path of least resistance is no longer (for me) about trying to fight what seems to be the case. I experience the existence of a dog, and that's really okay.
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 9:49:02 GMT -5
And will rescue me from dissolving into the heart of God. Yes, I know about that one. The big guy has an appetite for greasy spots and needs a Lipitor script?? .... who knew!?! You're getting the hang of this literal interpretation game.
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 9:57:13 GMT -5
It wasn't a compliment but you know that. I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it! I wouldn't even know where to start if i wanted to take offense at that. Hehe.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:02:41 GMT -5
You wouldn't know about change unless you were unchanging, and you obviously are the one who knows. ( Don't bother analyzing it. It's a realization.) Don't bother saying that!
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:04:29 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a lot going on in the 'void'. Chock-full of released stuff that 'void'... . Notice that I said 'proverbial void'. You have a habit of conveniently taking the bits of you want from what I say to suit your agenda. By and large I address whole messages. As if that would change anything.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:09:50 GMT -5
No. That's just what Mr Extra-Literal is imagining. Im a literalist and an imaginer? Hehehe. Yes. You and Bengst share a similar habit and therefore a similar fate. Although your case is a little special since you tend to take everything to the extreme. Bengst is a little more grounded after all.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:12:37 GMT -5
I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it! It could be taken as a compliment, but it wasn't meant that way. Though neither was it meant as an insult as such, more just as a slightly comedic ironic observation. Gasp! You were mocking again!
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:13:33 GMT -5
It could be taken as a compliment, but it wasn't meant that way. Though neither was it meant as an insult as such, more just as a slightly comedic ironic observation. Once the words are out there they're not with you anymore and once they've been quoted it's that way until the end of board-time! Well, you can always volunteer being a mod and then you can delete whatever you want, hehe.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:14:43 GMT -5
Once the words are out there they're not with you anymore and once they've been quoted it's that way until the end of board-time! Of course. Doesn't change the intention of the statement initially though. So your mocking is more by design than accident? Gasp!
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:16:44 GMT -5
No. 'Realizations' were seen through. They weren't dismissed as much as released to the proverbial void, and yet that didn't mean that I went back to the way things were prior to any realizations, and that's because attachments had been released in the process. You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. Andy seems to see that realization about realizations as crucial. Realizations are important after all.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 10:17:46 GMT -5
You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. 'Mental water polo' is the phrase I use. Well, 'hyper-minding' and 'utter confusion' describe it just fine.
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