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Post by laughter on Jul 3, 2013 6:13:45 GMT -5
a rare compliment from Andy to the wrecking crew! It wasn't a compliment but you know that. I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it!
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 6:30:09 GMT -5
It wasn't a compliment but you know that. I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it! It could be taken as a compliment, but it wasn't meant that way. Though neither was it meant as an insult as such, more just as a slightly comedic ironic observation.
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Post by laughter on Jul 3, 2013 6:36:56 GMT -5
I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it! It could be taken as a compliment, but it wasn't meant that way. Though neither was it meant as an insult as such, more just as a slightly comedic ironic observation. Once the words are out there they're not with you anymore and once they've been quoted it's that way until the end of board-time!
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 7:05:41 GMT -5
It could be taken as a compliment, but it wasn't meant that way. Though neither was it meant as an insult as such, more just as a slightly comedic ironic observation. Once the words are out there they're not with you anymore and once they've been quoted it's that way until the end of board-time! Of course. Doesn't change the intention of the statement initially though.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 3, 2013 7:09:41 GMT -5
Put what off? What are you putting off? Getting back to your true nature... You already ARE your true nature. Just got to get the little 'you' out of the way.
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 8:13:00 GMT -5
By telling you that it's not 10 o'clock I'm telling you what time it is now? E has said that nothing is ultimately true is a realization. That's a 'telling me what it is' realization. I'm pretty sure he has also said that it can be realized that oneness is the truth. They are both 'telling you what it isn't' realizations. It isn't true and it isn't separation.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 8:21:16 GMT -5
E has said that nothing is ultimately true is a realization. That's a 'telling me what it is' realization. I'm pretty sure he has also said that it can be realized that oneness is the truth. They are both 'telling you what it isn't' realizations. It isn't true and it isn't separation. You are telling me that there is an ultimate and that nothing is ultimately true. You are also telling me that all is one. The first realization is false anyway. The realization that ideas/things lack foundation is potentially the realization that supercedes all other non-dual realizations but quite frankly you made a complete balls up of the whole thing by concluding out of that, that 'nothing is ultimately true' and then deciding that that doesn't apply to realizations and that they exist somewhere in some other realm. The realization that ideas/things lack foundation is the same realization as no idea is necessarily true or false. That INCLUDES that realization. That realization is also enough to send the realization that 'you are prior to mind' back to the proverbial void, which leaves us open to the speculative nature of the claim.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 3, 2013 8:54:33 GMT -5
E has said that nothing is ultimately true is a realization. That's a 'telling me what it is' realization. I'm pretty sure he has also said that it can be realized that oneness is the truth. They are both 'telling you what it isn't' realizations. It isn't true and it isn't separation. Yes. "Oneness is true" is a slippery slope. "Separation is false" is ... well, less slippery, less slopey.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 8:57:53 GMT -5
Sounds like something happened that made you want to dismiss realizations, so you imagined you realized realizations don't mean anything. No. 'Realizations' were seen through. They weren't dismissed as much as released to the proverbial void, and yet that didn't mean that I went back to the way things were prior to any realizations, and that's because attachments had been released in the process. You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 3, 2013 9:03:18 GMT -5
No. 'Realizations' were seen through. They weren't dismissed as much as released to the proverbial void, and yet that didn't mean that I went back to the way things were prior to any realizations, and that's because attachments had been released in the process. You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. 'Mental water polo' is the phrase I use.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 9:16:34 GMT -5
No. 'Realizations' were seen through. They weren't dismissed as much as released to the proverbial void, and yet that didn't mean that I went back to the way things were prior to any realizations, and that's because attachments had been released in the process. You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. No. I had a realization about the nature of ideas/things, and in that realization, 'realizations' themselves were seen through. Might be wrong but you seem to be basking in a realization, which is all part of the process, but that too will pass.
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Post by andrew on Jul 3, 2013 9:19:41 GMT -5
You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. 'Mental water polo' is the phrase I use. And....you are basking in the realization that you are not mind. Hence why you call yourself 'Beingist'. A good thing to do for a while might be to swap your name to 'Illusionist'
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 3, 2013 9:24:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. It wasn't a compliment but you know that. I'll remind you that meaning is created by the reader dear sir ... ... let's see how they take it! I'll remind you, dear sir, that there is no 'meaning' until evoked by the skill, or lack thereof, of the author of words/images, and.. to balance the illusion you're attempting to create.. the author can, and occasionally does, create illusions and misrepresentations in service to the beliefs said author holds to be 'true', such as illusions/misrepresentations like this.. "meaning" is a collaboration between author and reader, the author's intention is establishes the general direction of the collaboration.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 9:31:41 GMT -5
You had a realization about realizations? That's some deep doo doo there dude. No. I had a realization about the nature of ideas/things, and in that realization, 'realizations' themselves were seen through. Might be wrong but you seem to be basking in a realization, which is all part of the process, but that too will pass. of course you're wrong .. you're Andrew. tehe "basking" is not correct, but yes, something is different, and it hasn't sorted its self out yet. no worries, and essentially nothing has changed, so I'm not sure what to say about it. besides, in my situation, only a crack has opened. there are many miles to go before I can sleep. ;-)
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2013 9:36:29 GMT -5
Of course you're fine as long as you don't know and don't care. You have the experience of separate, volitional Andrew, and that's all you care about. That's called self delusion. I have the experience of being able to make a choice, of having a sense of control at times, of being able to cause something to happen. I also have the experience of someone calling my name and recognizing that that is me they are talking to. And all of that may be illusion, or delusion, but it doesn't matter. I'm not trying to run away from it. Right, you're trying to run away from what's really happening in favor of what seems to be happening. After all your spearatuall work you've come full circle back to self delusion.
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