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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 9:43:18 GMT -5
good that those things got no hands!
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 9:44:02 GMT -5
Purpose perhaps assumes 'why'. So your purpose is.....? I can provide many answers, some very very simple, some more layered. Purpose assumes an entire ontology. I don't have those questions. So I have no use for those answers. I only encounter those questions here on the board. I don't ponder them offline. They just don't arise. They are not my questions. And according to the conceptual framework where they are presented, I can give appropriate answers based on context and logic. But apart from that, those answers and question are just ...pffft! I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic!
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Post by Beingist on Jun 28, 2013 9:46:40 GMT -5
good that those things got no hands!
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Post by topology on Jun 28, 2013 9:49:40 GMT -5
Purpose assumes an entire ontology. I don't have those questions. So I have no use for those answers. I only encounter those questions here on the board. I don't ponder them offline. They just don't arise. They are not my questions. And according to the conceptual framework where they are presented, I can give appropriate answers based on context and logic. But apart from that, those answers and question are just ...pffft! I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:50:21 GMT -5
All questions are answerable. But what effect do the answers have? I don't know if ALL questions are answerable, but our understandings shape our reality and our experience. Believing that 'existential questions are misconceived' shapes your reality and experience in a particular way. Why is that a belief? That's your wall again, Andrew. Do you think it's possible to let go of that assumption? Could be helpful for better understandings.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 9:52:09 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions. Yes.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 28, 2013 9:53:33 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions. Fundamentalist Christians have existential questions? "God said it. I believe it. That settles it.", is as existential as a fundamentalist Christian gets.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 9:56:57 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions. Maybe this guy believes the rap or maybe he doesn't but another possibility is that his lack of questions has no qualitative difference with what Reefs is referring to ... put in a parlance that is quite flawed but more easily recognizable there just might be some enlightened Adventists. More than one way to skin a cat.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:58:50 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! How do you know that? How can you be so sure about that? That's quite an assumption? What are the chances that you can let go of that assumption in the next 10 min so that we can have a real conversation for a change?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 10:00:52 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions. He has answers. Just question his answers and you may get a pretty angry reaction. Which means the answers are important to him which means he's still playing identity poker.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 10:04:30 GMT -5
I don't know if ALL questions are answerable, but our understandings shape our reality and our experience. Believing that 'existential questions are misconceived' shapes your reality and experience in a particular way. Why is that a belief? That's your wall again, Andrew. Do you think it's possible to let go of that assumption? Could be helpful for better understandings. Call it what you like.....seen/realized/understand/believe. I can well believe that you 'realized' that an existential question is misconceived. To try and use and example here, you may have 'realized' that the issue of free will is misconceived. But the basis for that is the assumption that 'there is no person/individual' to which free will applies/does not apply. If there IS a person/individual, then the issue of free will is not misconceived. Now, you may have 'realized' that 'there is no person/individual', but there is going to be an assumption beneath that too. The realization stands on top of another assumption on top of another assumption on top of another assumption. Its layers and layers of ideas. I'm not saying that the realization is without value, and realizations can and do inform mind and our experience, but its still just another perception point, or idea. Upshot: Don't take realizations so darn seriously.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 10:06:06 GMT -5
I don't particularly ponder existential questions but the reason that you don't ponder them (and they don't arise) is for a different reason to me. You have come to a particular set of answers which ensures that they don't arise...specifically, you have 'resolved' and 'dissolved' the questions by deciding that they are misconceived. Fan-feckin-tastic! How do you know that? How can you be so sure about that? That's quite an assumption? What are the chances that you can let go of that assumption in the next 10 min so that we can have a real conversation for a change? What do you want to discuss?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 28, 2013 10:07:47 GMT -5
***pulls up a chair***
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 10:10:28 GMT -5
That foregrounds the question, what is more important: that the questions don't arise anymore or why the questions don't arise anymore? A fundamentalist Christian who has bought the story hook line and sinker may not have any more existential questions. He has answers. Just question his answers and you may get a pretty angry reaction. Which means the answers are important to him which means he's still playing identity poker. S/he has answers and so the questions don't arise. When I question your answer I am liable to get an angry reaction! And you do have a fixed answer. I can give you a bunch of answers for the issue of 'purpose'. Off the top of my head on the subject of 'purpose'. Osho: Your purpose is to exist Tolle: Your purpose is to realize your true nature NDW: Your purpose is to re-create yourself anew in each moment. Abe-Hicks: Your purpose is to experience contrast and ultimately to experience joy Bashar: Your purpose is to experience more of what you are New Age: Your purpose is to witness and participate in a global and universal shift in consciousness Ramana: Your purpose is to Be as you are. Reefs/Enigma: The question is misconceived.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 10:15:26 GMT -5
Why is that a belief? That's your wall again, Andrew. Do you think it's possible to let go of that assumption? Could be helpful for better understandings. Call it what you like.....seen/realized/understand/believe. I can well believe that you 'realized' that an existential question is misconceived. To try and use and example here, you may have 'realized' that the issue of free will is misconceived. But the basis for that is the assumption that 'there is no person/individual' to which free will applies/does not apply. If there IS a person/individual, then the issue of free will is not misconceived. Now, you may have 'realized' that 'there is no person/individual', but there is going to be an assumption beneath that too. The realization stands on top of another assumption on top of another assumption on top of another assumption. Its layers and layers of ideas. I'm not saying that the realization is without value, and realizations can and do inform mind and our experience, but its still just another perception point, or idea. Upshot: Don't take realizations so darn seriously. I use that phrase 'questions are misconceived' since about a week after Enigma mentioned it lately because I see where that statement is pointing to. I didn't mention it before. So your theory that I concluded existential questions are misconceived and then put them to rest and never let them arise again is already more than just a little kooky. Fact is, they just don't arise anymore. It just happened. I don't know why you are having such a hard time accepting that?
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