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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 7:05:48 GMT -5
Then you too just made a mistake. And I did there. And there. d'oh! Your answer shows that you are unable to grasp what ZD was trying to convey there. ZD said that? I thought it was a quote from a zen dude.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 7:08:29 GMT -5
Your world consists of speculation only. You still don't get it, speculation is speculative itself. That transcends mind. So if I was going to describe my world I would use words like 'openness' or 'possibility' or 'spontaneity' or 'responsivity'.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 7:12:13 GMT -5
Reefs...or quinn Either of you got a existential question that you have come to believe is misconceived? I'm not saying there are no misconceived existential questions, but I reckon I can have a pop at most genuine ones. The question of purpose perhaps? Existential questions are like koans. Do you reckon you could have a pop at most koans? I probably wouldn't get anywhere near passing a zen test, and I have no inclination to try, but I would directly speak my truth in that moment. And my point is that most existential questions are answerable i.e are not misconceived. What do you want to know Reefs? Your purpose? Aside from being a sharp end of a needle?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 28, 2013 7:18:20 GMT -5
Ya know, there's this buddy o' mine, with whom my other buddies and I go to the horse races on occasion. Any more, I don't even presume to know anything about how to bet horses, because this guy knows horses, and how to bet them. So, the common question we now ALL ask him before we make a bet is, 'okay, what's my bet, Sam?' Maybe I can do the same thing here amongst y'all, but instead, just ask, 'okay, what concept am I clinging to?' You don't seem to like that very much. Well, first of all, who would? But it beats the mockery thing. In any event, how do you know I don't like it very much? Have you ever just said it straight out like that?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 7:34:06 GMT -5
Your world consists of speculation only. You still don't get it, speculation is speculative itself. That transcends mind. So if I was going to describe my world I would use words like 'openness' or 'possibility' or 'spontaneity' or 'responsivity'. As long as you open your mouth in reply, you haven't transcended anything. How your answer looks like is not the issue here. The issue is that you have to answer at all.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 7:35:14 GMT -5
Existential questions are like koans. Do you reckon you could have a pop at most koans? I probably wouldn't get anywhere near passing a zen test, and I have no inclination to try, but I would directly speak my truth in that moment. And my point is that most existential questions are answerable i.e are not misconceived. What do you want to know Reefs? Your purpose? Aside from being a sharp end of a needle? What is purpose good for? What does the concept of purpose assume?
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 7:44:16 GMT -5
You still don't get it, speculation is speculative itself. That transcends mind. So if I was going to describe my world I would use words like 'openness' or 'possibility' or 'spontaneity' or 'responsivity'. As long as you open your mouth in reply, you haven't transcended anything. How your answer looks like is not the issue here. The issue is that you have to answer at all. I don't HAVE to answer at all, but I CAN answer. That's because the questions are not misconceived. They are answerable.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 7:45:56 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't get anywhere near passing a zen test, and I have no inclination to try, but I would directly speak my truth in that moment. And my point is that most existential questions are answerable i.e are not misconceived. What do you want to know Reefs? Your purpose? Aside from being a sharp end of a needle? What is purpose good for? What does the concept of purpose assume? Purpose perhaps assumes 'why'. So your purpose is.....? I can provide many answers, some very very simple, some more layered.
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Post by topology on Jun 28, 2013 8:19:25 GMT -5
What am I? Spirit in human form, a non physical consciousness experiencing physical reality, God individuated. What is God? Infinite Love, Creator, Creation and Created. Why is there life? So that God can experience Itself. ZM Seung Sahn used to say, "If you open your mouth, you've already made a mistake." Ha ha. Bingo! *thwack*
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
As long as you open your mouth in reply, you haven't transcended anything. How your answer looks like is not the issue here. The issue is that you have to answer at all. I don't HAVE to answer at all, but I CAN answer. That's because the questions are not misconceived. They are answerable. All questions are answerable. But what effect do the answers have?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:11:25 GMT -5
What is purpose good for? What does the concept of purpose assume? Purpose perhaps assumes 'why'. So your purpose is.....? I can provide many answers, some very very simple, some more layered. Purpose assumes an entire ontology. I don't have those questions. So I have no use for those answers. I only encounter those questions here on the board. I don't ponder them offline. They just don't arise. They are not my questions. And according to the conceptual framework where they are presented, I can give appropriate answers based on context and logic. But apart from that, those answers and question are just ...pffft!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:20:32 GMT -5
Bingo! *thwack*
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 9:22:55 GMT -5
You've opened your mouth. Big mistake. Hanging head in shame. Unbelievable. That is 10 min horse stance for you!
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Post by topology on Jun 28, 2013 9:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 9:40:19 GMT -5
I don't HAVE to answer at all, but I CAN answer. That's because the questions are not misconceived. They are answerable. All questions are answerable. But what effect do the answers have? I don't know if ALL questions are answerable, but our understandings shape our reality and our experience. Believing that 'existential questions are misconceived' shapes your reality and experience in a particular way.
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