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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:41:44 GMT -5
'Still'? What's that hehe? Honestly, I would not say the internal movement is still nor moving in this debate The value of physical metaphor is as limited as any other -- it was an oblique reference to the notion of "inner peace" of course. I get what you mean about neither still nor moving. You mentioned ''inner peace'' before. The funny thing is that ''inner peace'' pretty much is irrelevant to my experience. Perhaps because there is no depth of boundary experienced here between 'inner' and 'outer'. I see that you put it in inverted commas.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:42:20 GMT -5
The really funny thing is, he's not joking. Well -- and I say this in all seriousness. He was and he wasn't and both at the same time. Really.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:42:54 GMT -5
Be afraid.......Be very afraid. You little fear mongerer you! To be afraid in this case is the ultimate expression of courage.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:46:20 GMT -5
The value of physical metaphor is as limited as any other -- it was an oblique reference to the notion of "inner peace" of course. I get what you mean about neither still nor moving. You mentioned ''inner peace'' before. The funny thing is that ''inner peace'' pretty much is irrelevant to my experience. Perhaps because there is no depth of boundary experienced here between 'inner' and 'outer'. I see that you put it in inverted commas. Yes and for the reason that you imply. Still, there's an old aphorism "where there's smoke there's fire". Just because there's this noisy exploration doesn't necessarily mean that there is a mind spinning out of control but there could be.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:46:57 GMT -5
No, assuming there is such a thing (and if everything imaginable exists, then it does), I currently can't say what the dietary habits are without more information. Yes, that's the key, Andrew; more information! What's your point? This is all a play of ideas E-Man (unless its not). That doesn't mean that when the experience of knowing an answer to your questions arises that I am not going to answer them.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:47:45 GMT -5
You little fear mongerer you! To be afraid in this case is the ultimate expression of courage.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:48:25 GMT -5
You mentioned ''inner peace'' before. The funny thing is that ''inner peace'' pretty much is irrelevant to my experience. Perhaps because there is no depth of boundary experienced here between 'inner' and 'outer'. I see that you put it in inverted commas. Yes and for the reason that you imply. Still, there's an old aphorism "where there's smoke there's fire". Just because there's this noisy exploration doesn't necessarily mean that there is a mind spinning out of control but there could be. I don't even know what a mind spinning out of control would look like really. Spinning out of control from what?
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:51:59 GMT -5
Yes and for the reason that you imply. Still, there's an old aphorism "where there's smoke there's fire". Just because there's this noisy exploration doesn't necessarily mean that there is a mind spinning out of control but there could be. I don't even know what a mind spinning out of control would look like really. Spinning out of control from what? You'll have to forgive my reliance on the vernacular. Obviously, there is no control, no controller and nothing subject to limitation. Just because there is a noisy conceptual exploration does not imply that the rational thinking mind is in a state of self deception but that could certainly be the case.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:56:56 GMT -5
I don't even know what a mind spinning out of control would look like really. Spinning out of control from what? You'll have to forgive my reliance on the vernacular. Obviously, there is no control, no controller and nothing subject to limitation. Just because there is a noisy conceptual exploration does not imply that the rational thinking mind is in a state of self deception but that could certainly be the case.Okay, understand what you mean.
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Post by quinn on Jun 28, 2013 5:51:34 GMT -5
To your edit: YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! To the toilet is God thingy....it isn't that we can't grasp Oneness with mind. I mean, that's true, but that's not what this mind-stopping business is about. It's simpler than that. But I can't come up with any clearer way of saying it. I've tried three times now and just made a muddled mess. That I deleted. You're welcome. It's really just noticing where we created the problem we're so frustrated trying to solve. I'm frustrated trying to solve a problem? I should have deleted that one too.
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Post by quinn on Jun 28, 2013 5:55:41 GMT -5
However, the thought occurred that our literal Being-ist may be reading and re-reading trying to make sense of the "being" in this sentence, which i believe should be "begin".: (Just thought maybe I could save a couple of weeks of research) I didn't even see that!
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Post by quinn on Jun 28, 2013 6:11:41 GMT -5
Nothing so transcendental, from my perspective. If I imagine a Germidgepillion, and then the thought occurs as to whether or not it is carnivorous, the question is misconceived and therefore has no answer. No amount of research or wisdom, from whatever source, can possibly reveal the actual dietary habits of an imaginary creature. It can only lead to more imagination. As it so happens, all existential questions, all queries that cross the contextual boundaries of dualistic experience, fall into the same category of misconception because all questions are, by definition, constricted to the context of duality. Duality itself is a Germidgepillion; a creature of the imagination. What am I? What is God? Why is there life? Cannot be answered. Not because the answer cannot be known, but because the question does not apply to anything outside the imagination of man. There are no answers because the questions make no sense. This is what it means to say nothing is ultimately true. It is also what it means to say I know nothing. Some examples: What am I? Spirit in human form, a non physical consciousness experiencing physical reality, God individuated. What is God? Infinite Love, Creator, Creation and Created. Why is there life? So that God can experience Itself. What am I? A person who needs to battle my way to the top of the food chain, taking out whoever gets in my way. What is God? A concept of the imagination. There is no God. Why is there life? For me to derive pleasure. If playing with concepts is what it's all about, no harm in playing with these - right? They're just as true as the ones above. And if they're just as true, in any given moment I can pick either one. Whatever 'arises'.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 6:19:31 GMT -5
What am I? Spirit in human form, a non physical consciousness experiencing physical reality, God individuated. What is God? Infinite Love, Creator, Creation and Created. Why is there life? So that God can experience Itself. ZM Seung Sahn used to say, "If you open your mouth, you've already made a mistake." Ha ha. Bingo!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 6:21:12 GMT -5
Hi reefs, A summary here would do so we all could read it. amit yeah reefs, kick in yer social security number whiler yas ats it too k'? The magic number.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 6:42:47 GMT -5
I think I have to step back and look at the whole. Don't analyze the color and the material and height and size of the sign posts. Look into the direction they are pointing and then forgetabout the sign post.
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