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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:22:23 GMT -5
His answers preview a future WOD in that they suggest to me that his Pascals wager would be that his jihad against your stuckoness in beliefiness is nothing more than an ameteurjection. Andrew -- yes I know it's rude to speak about you rather than to you ... consider yourself spoken to! Its okay, I don't really understand what you said anyway. What I said is that you might want to consider that your premise that Phil is stuck in and reliant on a conceptual structure is a projection of yours onto him. It has to take the form of Pascals wager in that you've got to bet that you're wrong, not only about Phil, but about all of those answers that you gave. edit: in the turn of the paradox the odds are the same for both sides of the bet but the payoff is anything but 50-50.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:22:53 GMT -5
<snipe> (*** contains certainty ***) </snipe> Yes, the experience of certainty happens here sometimes. cool
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:23:29 GMT -5
Its okay, I don't really understand what you said anyway. What I said is that you might want to consider that your premise that Phil is stuck in and reliant on a conceptual structure is a projection of yours onto him. It has to take the form of Pascals wager in that you've got to bet that you're wrong, not only about Phil, but about all of those answers that you gave. I didn't understand the second paragraph. I could be projecting, but I strongly doubt it. If I had known him a couple of days then I might doubt it more.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:28:40 GMT -5
No, assuming there is such a thing (and if everything imaginable exists, then it does), I currently can't say what the dietary habits are without more information. The dry subtlety of English humor is often lost on us in the states. I'm showing that this idea of existential questions as misconceived is basically a bunch of as.s hehe
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:30:18 GMT -5
What I said is that you might want to consider that your premise that Phil is stuck in and reliant on a conceptual structure is a projection of yours onto him. It has to take the form of Pascals wager in that you've got to bet that you're wrong, not only about Phil, but about all of those answers that you gave. I didn't understand the second paragraph. I could be projecting, but I strongly doubt it. If I had known him a couple of days then I might doubt it more. Ok then, you're a betting man in Pascal's tradition. That comes through, especially when you question and knock the foundations out of the answers. Only you can say whether the internal movement is still during the resulting maelstrom of conceptual zig-zagging. The bet isn't about Phil. It's about you. You can't wager about Phil. You can only wager on yourself.
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2013 3:31:04 GMT -5
What is spirit? What does infinite love mean? Who created the creator? What does it mean for infinite love to want to experience itself? Does he also want itself to suffer? This seems as good a resource as any on the subject of 'spirit'...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit By definition, the Creator is the Creator of All That is, so there is no Creator of the Creator. If there is suffering, then God experiences itself through that too, yes. Got any more? Of course I do. You know as well as I that the questions are endless, and that's because it's all Germidgepillion talk. You imagine an answer, I imagine another question. Round and round we go until we have enough to write a bible and form a new religion.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:31:27 GMT -5
The dry subtlety of English humor is often lost on us in the states. I'm showing that this idea of existential questions as misconceived is basically a bunch of as.s hehe
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2013 3:32:55 GMT -5
He's describing the dietary habits of the Germidgepillion. No, assuming there is such a thing (and if everything imaginable exists, then it does), I currently can't say what the dietary habits are without more information. Yes, that's the key, Andrew; more information!
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:32:59 GMT -5
I didn't understand the second paragraph. I could be projecting, but I strongly doubt it. If I had known him a couple of days then I might doubt it more. Ok then, you're a betting man in Pascal's tradition. That comes through, especially when you question and knock the foundations out of the answers. Only you can say whether the internal movement is still during the resulting maelstrom of conceptual zig-zagging. The bet isn't about Phil. It's about you. You can't wager about Phil. You can only wager on yourself. 'Still'? What's that hehe? Honestly, I would not say the internal movement is still nor moving in this debate
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2013 3:34:33 GMT -5
And therein lies the problem in Andrew-mind-world. Seems to me that you deal with existential questions by saying 'it is misconceived'. Its a nice way to shut mind up, that's true, but I'm not afraid of mind. There may be some misconceived existential questions (i.e misconceived in the way that a calculator will say N/A when it is asked to do something it can't do), but I can't come up with any obvious ones. Give me some more examples and I will try and answer them for you. Be afraid.......Be very afraid.
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Post by enigma on Jun 28, 2013 3:36:27 GMT -5
No, assuming there is such a thing (and if everything imaginable exists, then it does), I currently can't say what the dietary habits are without more information. The dry subtlety of English humor is often lost on us in the states. The really funny thing is, he's not joking.
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:37:29 GMT -5
Ok then, you're a betting man in Pascal's tradition. That comes through, especially when you question and knock the foundations out of the answers. Only you can say whether the internal movement is still during the resulting maelstrom of conceptual zig-zagging. The bet isn't about Phil. It's about you. You can't wager about Phil. You can only wager on yourself. 'Still'? What's that hehe? Honestly, I would not say the internal movement is still nor moving in this debate The value of physical metaphor is as limited as any other -- it was an oblique reference to the notion of "inner peace" of course. I get what you mean about neither still nor moving.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:38:13 GMT -5
This seems as good a resource as any on the subject of 'spirit'...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit By definition, the Creator is the Creator of All That is, so there is no Creator of the Creator. If there is suffering, then God experiences itself through that too, yes. Got any more? Of course I do. You know as well as I that the questions are endless, and that's because it's all Germidgepillion talk. You imagine an answer, I imagine another question. Round and round we go until we have enough to write a bible and form a new religion. I assume that saying its 'Germidgepillion talk' is your way of saying that this talk is somehow 'less' than something else? I am not divvying up my experience in that way ....I'm just answering your questions to show you that they are not misconceived. Got any more? Come on. Religion requires attachment to belief. That's not what I am pointing to.
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Post by andrew on Jun 28, 2013 3:38:52 GMT -5
Seems to me that you deal with existential questions by saying 'it is misconceived'. Its a nice way to shut mind up, that's true, but I'm not afraid of mind. There may be some misconceived existential questions (i.e misconceived in the way that a calculator will say N/A when it is asked to do something it can't do), but I can't come up with any obvious ones. Give me some more examples and I will try and answer them for you. Be afraid.......Be very afraid. You little fear mongerer you!
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Post by laughter on Jun 28, 2013 3:39:37 GMT -5
The dry subtlety of English humor is often lost on us in the states. The really funny thing is, he's not joking. Well -- and I say this in all seriousness. He was and he wasn't and both at the same time. Really.
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