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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 17:30:47 GMT -5
Greetings.. With all due respect, Top.. Phil understands the nature of this situation very well, and.. frankly, it is the interference by others that enables his avoidance.. Be well.. So you're going with the "He knows what he did wrong." and "This is between me and him."? Let me propose then that the reason other people are getting involved is because you are taking what is a personal matter to you and smearing that issue all over the forum for everyone to see and disrupting the flow of threads. If E posts on topic but says something you don't like, you post in response to him with a personal attack at him instead of contributing to the thread. It is a disruption and a squeaky wheel gets the attention. How about you take it to PM or email? Or are you using the forum audience as a tool to achieve your agenda? I'd say if people stepping in is interfering with your purpose then maybe the forum isn't the right medium? I hope Tzu doesn't implode like Tath, Michealness, Question and a few others throughout the years. I'm sure if Tzu would take Enigma's advice and walk away from what he thinks is causing his suffering, which is Enigma... We might actually have a little more peace around shantytown.
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Post by topology on Mar 10, 2013 17:37:49 GMT -5
So you're going with the "He knows what he did wrong." and "This is between me and him."? Let me propose then that the reason other people are getting involved is because you are taking what is a personal matter to you and smearing that issue all over the forum for everyone to see and disrupting the flow of threads. If E posts on topic but says something you don't like, you post in response to him with a personal attack at him instead of contributing to the thread. It is a disruption and a squeaky wheel gets the attention. How about you take it to PM or email? Or are you using the forum audience as a tool to achieve your agenda? I'd say if people stepping in is interfering with your purpose then maybe the forum isn't the right medium? I hope Tzu doesn't implode like Tath, Michealness, Question and a few others throughout the years. I'm sure if Tzu would take Enigma's advice and walk away from what he thinks is causing his suffering, which is Enigma... We might actually have a little more peace around shantytown. Nah, Tzujanli doesn't implode like that. He's the most tenacious person I know.
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Post by Beingist on Mar 10, 2013 17:42:06 GMT -5
You guyses giraffes are great, but you need to get them to move...
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Post by mamza on Mar 10, 2013 17:56:57 GMT -5
You guyses giraffes are great, but you need to get them to move... *High five*
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 17:58:23 GMT -5
Well, Silvergirl, that brings us back again full circle to your imagination issues. Arisha was imagining a great deal there in that post, seeing things that aren't there... Now there's some fun giraffes. ;D Being objective is far more difficult than most suppose, as evidenced by the radically different ways that folks perceive Enigma here. After all, nobody's being asked to evaluate something that isn't happening right here. All that's necessary is that everybody read the same posts, and assuming everybody is being as objective as they can, then everybody should pretty much come to the same conclusions. An analogy would be a court trial. Everyone is hearing precisely the same evidence, and so ideally all twelve jury members should come to the same conclusion. Obviously, that's not happening here, and so mind tries to reconcile this discrepancy. Nearly everyone recognizes a certain amount of bias in themselves, though most believe they can set that off to the side in the interest of being objective, so mind still has to explain this huge discrepancy. It may do that by withdrawing it's faith in the ability of others to be objective, or sufficiently intelligent, and if this doesn't seem to explain it, it will assume purposeful deception, manipulation of facts, agendas and taking sides. Now mind is satisfied that it understands why others don't see the same thing happening. It's obviously all about alliances and clubs and agendas and twisting and manipulating and deception, and it searches for evidence to confirm this idea, to the exclusion of other evidence, thereby engaging in the same bias it claims others are engaged in. That's not the reason for the discrepancies in the perception of what's happening here. Everybody actually is trying to be objective and never goes off into agendas and deception. There's no prize to be won here for being right. Nobody is devoting hours a day to some conspiracy to trick others cuz that would just be dumb. The discrepancy remains because folks are not able to be nearly as objective as they imagine. That failure is what is being pointed to here. It's called illusion and it is ultimately the source of all human suffering and turns what could be heaven into the hell of fear, judgment and divisiveness. This is a very good example of empty talking. Keep on wasting your time like that.
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Post by topology on Mar 10, 2013 18:02:13 GMT -5
Now there's some fun giraffes. ;D Being objective is far more difficult than most suppose, as evidenced by the radically different ways that folks perceive Enigma here. After all, nobody's being asked to evaluate something that isn't happening right here. All that's necessary is that everybody read the same posts, and assuming everybody is being as objective as they can, then everybody should pretty much come to the same conclusions. An analogy would be a court trial. Everyone is hearing precisely the same evidence, and so ideally all twelve jury members should come to the same conclusion. Obviously, that's not happening here, and so mind tries to reconcile this discrepancy. Nearly everyone recognizes a certain amount of bias in themselves, though most believe they can set that off to the side in the interest of being objective, so mind still has to explain this huge discrepancy. It may do that by withdrawing it's faith in the ability of others to be objective, or sufficiently intelligent, and if this doesn't seem to explain it, it will assume purposeful deception, manipulation of facts, agendas and taking sides. Now mind is satisfied that it understands why others don't see the same thing happening. It's obviously all about alliances and clubs and agendas and twisting and manipulating and deception, and it searches for evidence to confirm this idea, to the exclusion of other evidence, thereby engaging in the same bias it claims others are engaged in. That's not the reason for the discrepancies in the perception of what's happening here. Everybody actually is trying to be objective and never goes off into agendas and deception. There's no prize to be won here for being right. Nobody is devoting hours a day to some conspiracy to trick others cuz that would just be dumb. The discrepancy remains because folks are not able to be nearly as objective as they imagine. That failure is what is being pointed to here. It's called illusion and it is ultimately the source of all human suffering and turns what could be heaven into the hell of fear, judgment and divisiveness. This is a very good example of empty talking. Keep on wasting your time like that. And this is a good example of what I was talking about, simply replying to someone to attack them over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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Post by arisha on Mar 10, 2013 18:04:16 GMT -5
What exactly is it that you want from Phil before you will stop dogging him? I think he wants OHD, but the problem is that all attempts to accomplish that resulted in more lacerations from his sword. If I had to guess, his definition of OHD is me realizing the error of my ways and finally coming around to his way of thinking, and the fact that I don't is evidence that I'm not being honest and open. Then why do you yourself interfere with those people who you unable to understand? Those who have different views which you have no idea of will never try to come to your way of thinking as it is delusional and gives no results. Stop dogging such people yourself.
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Post by laughter on Mar 10, 2013 18:18:21 GMT -5
This is a very good example of empty talking. Keep on wasting your time like that. And this is a good example of what I was talking about, simply replying to someone to attack them over and over and over and over and over and over again. I've only participated in one other forum and in that one the policy was to moderate negativity pretty heavily. The result is a major lack of authenticity -- maybe that's not always the result, or maybe the imperfection of self-regulation is just some sort of natural inoptimum optimum. That said, I do feel your pain.
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Post by silver on Mar 10, 2013 18:27:09 GMT -5
So you're going with the "He knows what he did wrong." and "This is between me and him."? Let me propose then that the reason other people are getting involved is because you are taking what is a personal matter to you and smearing that issue all over the forum for everyone to see and disrupting the flow of threads. If E posts on topic but says something you don't like, you post in response to him with a personal attack at him instead of contributing to the thread. It is a disruption and a squeaky wheel gets the attention. How about you take it to PM or email? Or are you using the forum audience as a tool to achieve your agenda? I'd say if people stepping in is interfering with your purpose then maybe the forum isn't the right medium? I hope Tzu doesn't implode like Tath, Michealness, Question and a few others throughout the years. I'm sure if Tzu would take Enigma's advice and walk away from what he thinks is causing his suffering, which is Enigma... We might actually have a little more peace around shantytown. Yeah that's your misperception...they both enjoy the tension. Neither one of them is suffering. They don't 'need' peace. I'm sure E is giddy as a schoolboy since Tzu blew into Dodge. ;D
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 10, 2013 18:36:29 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. With all due respect, Top.. Phil understands the nature of this situation very well, and.. frankly, it is the interference by others that enables his avoidance.. Be well.. So you're going with the "He knows what he did wrong." and "This is between me and him."? Let me propose then that the reason other people are getting involved is because you are taking what is a personal matter to you and smearing that issue all over the forum for everyone to see and disrupting the flow of threads. If E posts on topic but says something you don't like, you post in response to him with a personal attack at him instead of contributing to the thread. It is a disruption and a squeaky wheel gets the attention. How about you take it to PM or email? Or are you using the forum audience as a tool to achieve your agenda? I'd say if people stepping in is interfering with your purpose then maybe the forum isn't the right medium? Thanks, you've given me an excellent idea.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Mar 10, 2013 19:08:05 GMT -5
I hope Tzu doesn't implode like Tath, Michealness, Question and a few others throughout the years. I'm sure if Tzu would take Enigma's advice and walk away from what he thinks is causing his suffering, which is Enigma... We might actually have a little more peace around shantytown. Yeah that's your misperception...they both enjoy the tension. Neither one of them is suffering. They don't 'need' peace. I'm sure E is giddy as a schoolboy since Tzu blew into Dodge. ;D I think it would be in everybody's best interest if he just discussed his interests with those who are interested and dropped the crusade. Same for Arisha.
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Post by laughter on Mar 10, 2013 19:23:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. So you're going with the "He knows what he did wrong." and "This is between me and him."? Let me propose then that the reason other people are getting involved is because you are taking what is a personal matter to you and smearing that issue all over the forum for everyone to see and disrupting the flow of threads. If E posts on topic but says something you don't like, you post in response to him with a personal attack at him instead of contributing to the thread. It is a disruption and a squeaky wheel gets the attention. How about you take it to PM or email? Or are you using the forum audience as a tool to achieve your agenda? I'd say if people stepping in is interfering with your purpose then maybe the forum isn't the right medium? Thanks, you've given me an excellent idea.. Be well.. just so's ya' know! .... ... letter bombs are illegal!
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Post by enigma on Mar 10, 2013 19:31:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. Thanks, you've given me an excellent idea.. Be well.. just so's ya' know! .... ... letter bombs are illegal! ***Setting up soaking tub for all incoming mail....***
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 10, 2013 20:12:29 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yeah that's your misperception...they both enjoy the tension. Neither one of them is suffering. They don't 'need' peace. I'm sure E is giddy as a schoolboy since Tzu blew into Dodge. ;D I think it would be in everybody's best interest if he just discussed his interests with those who are interested and dropped the crusade. Same for Arisha. If only you could abide by your own advice.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2013 21:18:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. I think it would be in everybody's best interest if he just discussed his interests with those who are interested and dropped the crusade. Same for Arisha. If only you could abide by your own advice.. Be well.. You can put comments like these in your PM, too. BTW, I'm still waiting for a definition of the word "attachment" from you. Or did I miss that somewhere?
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