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Post by Beingist on Dec 28, 2012 8:42:17 GMT -5
Reality is NOT paradoxical. ZD If you do not test yourself all the time, you will not be able to distinguish between reality and fancy. Observation and close reasoning help to some extent, but reality is paradoxical. How do you know that you have realised unless you watch your thoughts and feelings, words and actions and wonder at the changes occurring in you without your knowing why and how? It is exactly because they are so surprising that you know that they are real. The foreseen and expected is rarely true. --Niz |
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Post by BorisBump on Dec 28, 2012 11:49:21 GMT -5
Niz is the biz.
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Post by Beingist on Dec 28, 2012 11:58:52 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand why peeps have such a problem with paradoxes and paradoxicalness.
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Post by enigma on Dec 28, 2012 12:24:32 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand why peeps have such a problem with paradoxes and paradoxicalness. I don't think anybody has a problem with it. It's just one more illusion being pointed out and there's value in seeing through illusion rather than accepting it as true. There's value in removing confusion from the mind. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 28, 2012 13:06:18 GMT -5
Reality is paradoxical.
-Niz Reality is NOT paradoxical.
ZD My mind sees no paradox in this apparent contradiction, and in this case I can give what would seem to be a mind-based explanation that really isn't. What I see are two sages that I've come to trust, based soley on their words alone, each using a word differently. This explanation has at best limited value to some other apparent mind because it is based entirely on my subjective. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 28, 2012 13:17:56 GMT -5
Reality is NOT paradoxical. ZD ZD, The comparison machine sees the unasked question "what do you mean by 'Reality'?" to be greedy chatter. You have already given me the words "ATA" and "Non-abidance". That is far far more than enough and I am wide with gratitude as at best, when these pointers are followed, of course such questions don't arise. The other night in a cold rain and a stiff wind a very large flag flying at half-staff was not a flag. It was as if the thing had punched me in the face. No non-verbal answer to the koan came into the clutter but at least I had a good laugh waving away the question "what did the monk mean by 'mind'?" as similar useless chatter. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 28, 2012 14:13:21 GMT -5
Maybe ZD knows where this supposed Zen saying comes from:
"Paradox and Confusion are the two fierce guardians at the gateway to the truth of who You are."
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Post by andrew on Dec 28, 2012 14:18:40 GMT -5
Gateless gate is more appropriate than 'gateway'.
I would say.....(and I am joking....kind of)
'paradox and confusion are the two fierce and gentle non-guardians at the gateless gate to the truthless truth of you are, if there even is a you that is.'
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Post by enigma on Dec 28, 2012 14:27:05 GMT -5
Gateless gate is more appropriate than 'gateway'. I would say.....(and I am joking....kind of) 'paradox and confusion are the two fierce and gentle non-guardians at the gateless gate to the truthless truth of you are, if there even is a you that is.' Kind of a jokeless joke, maybe?  |
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Post by andrew on Dec 28, 2012 14:27:55 GMT -5
Gateless gate is more appropriate than 'gateway'. I would say.....(and I am joking....kind of) 'paradox and confusion are the two fierce and gentle non-guardians at the gateless gate to the truthless truth of you are, if there even is a you that is.' Kind of a jokeless joke, maybe? That's it. |
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Post by Beingist on Dec 28, 2012 14:33:14 GMT -5
Kind of a jokeless joke, maybe? That's it. ... unless it isn't. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 28, 2012 14:34:01 GMT -5
... unless it isn't. ;D ;D |
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Post by silver on Dec 28, 2012 14:41:38 GMT -5
Gateless gate is more appropriate than 'gateway'. I would say.....(and I am joking....kind of) 'paradox and confusion are the two fierce and gentle non-guardians at the gateless gate to the truthless truth of you are, if there even is a you that is.' You're such an inspiration! All of you, ackshooaly. ;D Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz song~* You are all cracking me up!  |
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Post by relinquish on Dec 28, 2012 14:44:10 GMT -5
I must say, seeing through the apparent paradox of Existence has been one of my biggest break-throughs. I realized that we can't say that Existence is paradoxical because logic (it's inseparable opposite) doesn't really exist.
Existence only seems paradoxical when we try to understand or communicate it's true nature. When attempting these things it will only ever seem paradoxical. It's un-avoidable.
That doesn't mean that paradox is some intrinsic property of Existence.
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Post by andrew on Dec 28, 2012 14:57:24 GMT -5
I must say, seeing through the apparent paradox of Existence has been one of my biggest break-throughs. I realized that we can't say that Existence is paradoxical because logic (it's inseparable opposite) doesn't really exist. Existence only seems paradoxical when we try to understand or communicate it's true nature. When attempting these things it will only ever seem paradoxical. It's un-avoidable. That doesn't mean that paradox is some intrinsic property of Existence. We can say that existence is paradoxical, because logic 'doesnt really exist' in one context, but to even speak of logic verifies its existence in another context. On the other hand, we can also say that existence isn't paradoxical. And all that is kinda....paradoxical. |
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