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Post by tzujanli on Dec 18, 2012 13:20:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. An excellent question. I do find it to be true that one can only hear what one is capable of hearing. But perhaps you were implying something more than this? The dreamer and the dream are one.  Hi porto: And, by identifying "dreamer and the dream", you affirm they are different at the same time.. fun paradox, eh? Be well.. |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 13:36:52 GMT -5
Hi Tzu, very nice to see you again! Greetings.. The dreamer and the dream are one. Hi porto: And, by identifying "dreamer and the dream", you affirm they are different at the same time.. fun paradox, eh? Be well.. Fun indeed. The rumor around here is that paradoxes are imaginary. That is, we imagine/create/manifest a dreamer and a dream. |
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 18, 2012 15:20:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Tzu, very nice to see you again! Greetings.. Hi porto: And, by identifying "dreamer and the dream", you affirm they are different at the same time.. fun paradox, eh? Be well.. Fun indeed. The rumor around here is that paradoxes are imaginary. That is, we imagine/create/manifest a dreamer and a dream. Yeah, that seems to be the general direction of 'spiritual' discussions.. focusing on 'imaginary' beliefs.. rejecting that which is tangible, verifiable.. in favor of that which swirls in the mind's imagination... What i notice, is that the plights of humanity and its environment are rejected in favor 'imagining they don't really exist'.. itself a handy bit of 'sleight of mind'.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 15:56:34 GMT -5
Hi Tzu, very nice to see you again! Greetings.. Hi porto: And, by identifying "dreamer and the dream", you affirm they are different at the same time.. fun paradox, eh? Be well.. Fun indeed. The rumor around here is that paradoxes are imaginary. That is, we imagine/create/manifest a dreamer and a dream. oh, didn't you hear that this rumor was dispelled? (unless you want to contradict Niz' that is ;D). Dismissing everything as a dream leads to dreaming another dream. This can seem either nightmarish or pleasant depending on your affinity for dreaming. |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 16:12:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Tzu, very nice to see you again! Fun indeed. The rumor around here is that paradoxes are imaginary. That is, we imagine/create/manifest a dreamer and a dream. Yeah, that seems to be the general direction of 'spiritual' discussions.. focusing on 'imaginary' beliefs.. rejecting that which is tangible, verifiable.. in favor of that which swirls in the mind's imagination... What i notice, is that the plights of humanity and its environment are rejected in favor 'imagining they don't really exist'.. itself a handy bit of 'sleight of mind'.. Be well.. Cool mind! |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 16:14:22 GMT -5
Hi Tzu, very nice to see you again! Fun indeed. The rumor around here is that paradoxes are imaginary. That is, we imagine/create/manifest a dreamer and a dream. oh, didn't you hear that this rumor was dispelled? (unless you want to contradict Niz' that is ;D). Dismissing everything as a dream leads to dreaming another dream. This can seem either nightmarish or pleasant depending on your affinity for dreaming. I said the dreamer and dream are one. The distinction dream/dreamer is imaginary. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 16:26:31 GMT -5
oh, didn't you hear that this rumor was dispelled? (unless you want to contradict Niz' that is ;D). Dismissing everything as a dream leads to dreaming another dream. This can seem either nightmarish or pleasant depending on your affinity for dreaming. I said the dreamer and dream are one. The distinction dream/dreamer is imaginary. "are one" ... ? ... ( __________________________________________________) ... what I was responding to was the idea that "paradoxes are imaginary", which dismisses them as just another dream. |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 16:36:20 GMT -5
I said the dreamer and dream are one. The distinction dream/dreamer is imaginary. "are one" ... ? ... ( __________________________________________________) ... what I was responding to was the idea that "paradoxes are imaginary", which dismisses them as just another dream. What existence do paradoxes have outside thinking about them? Can you taste/smell/sit on one? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 16:41:48 GMT -5
"are one" ... ? ... ( __________________________________________________) ... what I was responding to was the idea that "paradoxes are imaginary", which dismisses them as just another dream. What existence do paradoxes have outside thinking about them? Can you taste/smell/sit on one? What existence does your chair have? What existence does the a$$ that hits the chair have? The direct answer to your question is no, the paradox is a product of mind. I can't tell you what the chair and the a$$ are, but no greater claim for existence can be made for them. |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 16:49:02 GMT -5
What existence do paradoxes have outside thinking about them? Can you taste/smell/sit on one? What existence does your chair have? What existence does the a$$ that hits the chair have? The direct answer to your question is no, the paradox is a product of mind. I can't tell you what the chair and the a$$ are, but no greater claim for existence can be made for them. So the chair you're sitting on is as real as a paradox? Is a paradox as real as your being? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 16:51:58 GMT -5
What existence does your chair have? What existence does the a$$ that hits the chair have? The direct answer to your question is no, the paradox is a product of mind. I can't tell you what the chair and the a$$ are, but no greater claim for existence can be made for them. So the chair you're sitting on is as real as a paradox? Is a paradox as real as your being? No, the paradox is not as real as my being. To answer the first question, we first have to define the word "real". |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 16:54:08 GMT -5
So the chair you're sitting on is as real as a paradox? Is a paradox as real as your being? No, the paradox is not as real as my being. To answer the first question, we first have to define the word "real". Only imaginary things need definitions! |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 16:57:00 GMT -5
No, the paradox is not as real as my being. To answer the first question, we first have to define the word "real". Only imaginary things need definitions! Well we seem to have arrived at an interesting place. Only "being" seems to escape the label of "imaginary", and imagination and being are not two (as opposed to being one). Does that sound like a paradox to you? |
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Post by Portto on Dec 18, 2012 17:03:28 GMT -5
Only imaginary things need definitions! Well we seem to have arrived at an interesting place. Only "being" seems to escape the label of "imaginary", and imagination and being are not two (as opposed to being one). Does that sound like a paradox to you? Yep, interesting place! Only the "one being" is not imaginary. "Being" can imagine stuff, so no paradox there! |
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2012 17:10:09 GMT -5
Well we seem to have arrived at an interesting place. Only "being" seems to escape the label of "imaginary", and imagination and being are not two (as opposed to being one). Does that sound like a paradox to you? Yep, interesting place! Only the "one being" is not imaginary. "Being" can imagine stuff, so no paradox there! Ah! yes, well on that first point I offer you gentle and respectful disagreement. As far as the second is concerned, I like to express that with the idea that as we live it, from within, the paradox disappears. |
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