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Post by figgles on Nov 16, 2015 13:14:17 GMT -5
If your egoic mind had dissolved completely, what drew you to his books...and then to two years worth of conversations with him? What was left 'to get' after dissolution of egoic mind?
I 'died' psychologically, no identification with 'me', but had no Clarity. Wanted to see what had happened, I stated this before. "Rigid certainty" I was referring to is the Knowing, the Absolute... which came from the psychological death (long story) and seeing own physical death. It was far from fun. Terrifying. Cures any existential anxieties real fast. Not so stubborn though as to adhere to 'citing page numbers' when he's asked questions by seekers?Don't know what you mean here.
I don't engage with the 'guru'.. it's all a lie, including what people are seeking. You are what you are looking for, and there are no mysteries beyond that point. I engage with the man. I like him. He is fun....so just shooting the breeze for the enjoyment of it?....that seems to run counter to his stated aim of his forum: "This new forum is going to be more along the lines of an online ashram or retreat if you will. The purpose of an ashram is to provide an environment wherein distractions are minimized and focus can be constantly held on the goal or guru. I don’t want the focus to be on me but rather on what I am pointing at...... Everything that goes on here is about your journey to HA and TR and nothing else. You can do these things on the old forum if so inclined. " & just curious; If there was no longer any identification with 'a you', what exactly was obscuring 'clarity'? If all identification ceases, doesn't that include all identification with all thoughts/idea/beliefs? What else is there that obscures? The 'citing page numbers' was in reference to Jed's quote from his notebook where he referenced nothing to offer beyond the books, thus, saying 'what would I do..cite page numbers'? |
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Post by figgles on Nov 16, 2015 13:58:21 GMT -5
The seeing of what it is that obscures clarity is anything but 'analysing the conceputual'...rather, it's direct seeing that absent identification with ideas, clarity IS. It is. Stories and all.  |
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Post by figgles on Nov 16, 2015 14:02:02 GMT -5
You see, Figgles... the Forum statement is for those who are still in the grip. Beyond that - everything becomes very simple. Very. As it would seem, Is the forum itself. |
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Post by figgles on Nov 16, 2015 16:49:57 GMT -5
I probably didn't express it correctly... not the conceptual, although that stopped too. I simply lost interest in wanting to know. Why this and what that.But you said the reason you came to the books, after losing all identification with a 'me' was because despite that, you "had no clarity and wanted to see what had happened." Isn't that a 'wanting to know'? But you say you DID come to clarity at some point...?....How does one come to clarity without realizing what was obscuring it?..that said, I still don't understand how all identification could fall away and clarity be absent...if ALL identification falls away, there would be nothing left to obscure clarity...being unclear is all about identification...attachment to thoughts/ideas/stories. If you value clarity, then seeing what it is that obscures clarity, actually does make a difference. And do you regard that clarity and wisdom as valuable?...as making a difference? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 6:20:18 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1447670977000" class="time" title="Nov 16, 2015 11:49:37 GMT 7">Nov 16, 2015 11:49:37 GMT 7</abbr> sunshine said: ´´You get deeper and deeper insights´´---´´people evolve, their priorities change´´ earlier in this thread, you say he ´´evolved´´the past 20 years.I didnt realise he wrote the books that long ago. but, ´´evolving´´--that is encouraging.I never bothered to read the follow ups on the trilogy--too much boasting and bragging in the first three books.. so he is no longer ´´done´´ ?right?It was one of my main objections to his writing. (earlier this thread)I cant fathom how you projected´´ third eye´´ being key to enlightenment as something i have said anywhere, ever. But if clairvoyancy in time and space are innate powers of the human psyche, as yogis claimed for thousands of years, why not develop them.Why not develop-explore our full potential? ´´The Synthesis of Yoga´´ deals with the different paths of yoga and the different results each of these paths achieves. google the synthesis of yoga sri aurobindo pdf for a free download. Use the search function ´´tantra´´ , ´´tantric´´ and´´ transcendent´´--that should clarify. ´´Siddhis´´ (´´supernatural powers´´) are usually side-effects of the yoga.Never an aim.The first and foremost aim of these practices is union with the divine. 'Done' is misunderstood. There is the final moment of realising Truth, but after that - one carries on being undone, in that Done state. Jed's analogy is that of a spiral, and that's exactly how it is. One flies over the same ground again and again, but higher and higher, seeing more and more, It never stops. It's a return motion within. "The first and foremost aim of these practices is union with the divine." - Truth of Self. The word 'clairvoyance' has been rinsed in the sweat of those who seek a fairytale which this world - is NOT..... corrupted from its simplicity - Clear Vision. Truth. Supernatural powers do not exist.
yes they do.., they are just nature we havent evolved into yet. As a species. But yes, these powers exist.I was born with it, and they are part and parcel of my daily life.I dont talk about it anymore, folk tend to get a bit scared, they do not understand. When i was a rebellious teenager, the obvious thing to do was to develop further ´´supernatural´´healing techniques. it was so obvious that i refused. I found out i was very ´´mediumistic´´ but refused to engage in ´´spiritism´´ (calling up the dead etc.)...I still do---way to prone to ego-deformations. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 6:45:00 GMT -5
clairvoyance does exist. I've seen it demonstrated many times over the years. To absolutely say it can't exist, is what's imaginary. I haven't, and so do not imagine anything beyond that. without imagination, you would not exist...just wish for a demonstration of it, and it will arrive...power of thought... |
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Post by laughter on Nov 17, 2015 6:45:35 GMT -5
Anonymity is of primary importance to him. He enjoys people as far as I could see. Just not hordes and hordes, as it often the case with teaching and 'guru-dom'. Given the obvious negative attachments he's engendered the preference for anonymity is more than understandable.  It's amusing because often on these forums an individuals positive attachment to a teacher or a teaching is clear to everyone but the person so attached until it's pointed out. In Jed's case he's sort of like an anti-guru that way.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 17, 2015 6:47:58 GMT -5
Anonymity is of primary importance to him.
He enjoys people as far as I could see. Just not hordes and hordes, as it often the case with teaching and 'guru-dom'. Anonymity is of primary importance to him. yep else he´d end up like Andrew Cohen, another american ´´teacher´´ who wrote books and had hordes of followers who eventually, after many years, turned against him as a fraud.And he even published an apology... Yes, the differences between Cohen and "Jed" are quite striking in this regard, aren't they?  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 17, 2015 6:48:11 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1447670977000" class="time" title="Nov 16, 2015 11:49:37 GMT 7">Nov 16, 2015 11:49:37 GMT 7</abbr> sunshine said: ´´You get deeper and deeper insights´´---´´people evolve, their priorities change´´ earlier in this thread, you say he ´´evolved´´the past 20 years.I didnt realise he wrote the books that long ago. but, ´´evolving´´--that is encouraging.I never bothered to read the follow ups on the trilogy--too much boasting and bragging in the first three books.. so he is no longer ´´done´´ ?right?It was one of my main objections to his writing. (earlier this thread)I cant fathom how you projected´´ third eye´´ being key to enlightenment as something i have said anywhere, ever. But if clairvoyancy in time and space are innate powers of the human psyche, as yogis claimed for thousands of years, why not develop them.Why not develop-explore our full potential? ´´The Synthesis of Yoga´´ deals with the different paths of yoga and the different results each of these paths achieves. google the synthesis of yoga sri aurobindo pdf for a free download. Use the search function ´´tantra´´ , ´´tantric´´ and´´ transcendent´´--that should clarify. ´´Siddhis´´ (´´supernatural powers´´) are usually side-effects of the yoga.Never an aim.The first and foremost aim of these practices is union with the divine. 'Done' is misunderstood. There is the final moment of realising Truth, but after that - one carries on being undone, in that Done state. Jed's analogy is that of a spiral, and that's exactly how it is. One flies over the same ground again and again, but higher and higher, seeing more and more, It never stops. It's a return motion within. "The first and foremost aim of these practices is union with the divine." - Truth of Self. The word 'clairvoyance' has been rinsed in the sweat of those who seek a fairytale which this world - is NOT..... corrupted from its simplicity - Clear Vision. Truth. Supernatural powers do not exist. yup |
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Post by laughter on Nov 17, 2015 6:51:33 GMT -5
'Done' is misunderstood. There is the final moment of realising Truth, but after that - one carries on being undone, in that Done state. Jed's analogy is that of a spiral, and that's exactly how it is. One flies over the same ground again and again, but higher and higher, seeing more and more, It never stops. It's a return motion within. "The first and foremost aim of these practices is union with the divine." - Truth of Self. The word 'clairvoyance' has been rinsed in the sweat of those who seek a fairytale which this world - is NOT..... corrupted from its simplicity - Clear Vision. Truth. Supernatural powers do not exist. clairvoyance does exist. I've seen it demonstrated many times over the years. To absolutely say it can't exist, is what's imaginary. Well the thing is that electromagnetism was used for decades before it was understood, and the peeps who started the Iron Age didn't have access to the periodic table of elements. Point being, that if something has practical value but isn't understood, scientists tend to adopt and accept it anyway and leave sorting out the theory for the future. If the evidence for clairvoyance was so overwhelming, why isn't it commonly accepted knowledge by now? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 6:52:09 GMT -5
Anonymity is of primary importance to him. yep else he´d end up like Andrew Cohen, another american ´´teacher´´ who wrote books and had hordes of followers who eventually, after many years, turned against him as a fraud.And he even published an apology... Yes, the differences between Cohen and "Jed" are quite striking in this regard, aren't they? keeping your head down...safe strategy...i dont blame him...but i dont believe him, either... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 6:57:28 GMT -5
clairvoyance does exist. I've seen it demonstrated many times over the years. To absolutely say it can't exist, is what's imaginary. Well the thing is that electromagnetism was used for decades before it was understood, and the peeps who started the Iron Age didn't have access to the periodic table of elements. Point being, that if something has practical value but isn't understood, scientists tend to adopt and accept it anyway and leave sorting out the theory for the future. If the evidence for clairvoyance was so overwhelming, why isn't it commonly accepted knowledge by now? it depends very much on the culture you grow up in, which influences you --what is true an what not--in india , 1/6th of world population, it is not a subject of any doubt. but you would likely call that culture ´´primitive´´??Becuase it uses techniques an laws that do not coincide with western ´´science´´. (apart from the fact that 2000 years of christianity forbade ventures into these powers.´´from the devil´´-) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 7:06:13 GMT -5
Supernatural powers do not exist.
yes they do.., they are just nature we havent evolved into yet. As a species. But yes, these powers exist.I was born with it, and they are part and parcel of my daily life.I dont talk about it anymore, folk tend to get a bit scared, they do not understand. When i was a rebellious teenager, the obvious thing to do was to develop further ´´supernatural´´healing techniques. it was so obvious that i refused. I found out i was very ´´mediumistic´´ but refused to engage in ´´spiritism´´ (calling up the dead etc.)...I still do---way to prone to ego-deformations. you said "(earlier this thread)I cant fathom how you projected´´ third eye´"
It was metaphoric and pertaining exactly to what is written above. The power of belief, and it doesn't matter the nature of belief. Each to their own. it has nada to do with ´´+enlightenment´´.That was my point.Still is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 7:12:05 GMT -5
it depends very much on the culture you grow up in, which influences you --what is true an what not--in india , 1/6th of world population, it is not a subject of any doubt. but you would likely call that culture ´´primitive´´??Becuase it uses techniques an laws that do not coincide with western ´´science´´. (apart from the fact that 2000 years of christianity forbade ventures into these powers.´´from the devil´´-) It depends on no culture. What isn't - simply isn't. Culture is the most mind corrupting occurance. ANY culture. i lay prostrate before your wisdom you know what ´´is´´ and what ´´isnt´´...(  ) seems to me that is entirely dependent on personal observation.And always prone to ego-deformation |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 7:14:53 GMT -5
it has nada to do with ´´+enlightenment´´.That was my point.Still is. Truth (enlightenment or whatever) includes ALL. It has EVERYTHING to do with enlightenment, Sunshine. ah...now you know ALL? biggest ego statement of the forum ever,  |
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