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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:21:04 GMT -5
It is a strange word, humility, isn't it... once mentioned - it's gone. It's a double bind and, like ego, the only pertinent question is whether or not JLY was conscious of having presented you with a double bind at the time he wrote it. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:23:36 GMT -5
It is a strange word, humility, isn't it... once mentioned - it's gone. Sure, depending upon the context of its use. But in terms of others, I can't help where I sense it, and where I don't. It tells me who has actually seen the face of God and who hasn't. There are some here who really have and there are some here who think they have but haven't. I have yet to meet Him face to face even as He has left a couple of calling cards. If you've never seen her face, then how can you be sure it's not her that's staring right at you? Humility will only be a rumor until then. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:40:36 GMT -5
I said I do feel immensely grateful. Where did I say this: "But you said you feel grateful that you are one of the few awakened?"Sometimes people can directly reveal that they're asleep by insisting that their subjective rejection of an objective fact is just "their world", because there is no "world out there". As Jed wrote in the first book, solopsism is where every philosopher eventually gets stuck, which is why it can be fertile ground. What can be amazing -- and what you're encountering here -- is just how baroque and wending the stories underlying some of those illusions can become, and how attached to them (even a simple and trivial one), peeps can get. The gratitude that rises with the renewal that is the timeless eternity of the moment comes with a beauty that blinds the peep, even the peeps who do feel genuine gratitude from time to time. There do seem to be alot of those, anyway. It's impossible to explain the ordinariness of this, and that's the peep missing simplicity, yet again. What is realized in TR is a commonality between all human beings that is oddly just too immediate for them perceive. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 19:20:59 GMT -5
Sure, depending upon the context of its use. But in terms of others, I can't help where I sense it, and where I don't. It tells me who has actually seen the face of God and who hasn't. There are some here who really have and there are some here who think they have but haven't. I have yet to meet Him face to face even as He has left a couple of calling cards. If you've never seen her face, then how can you be sure it's not her that's staring right at you? Humility will only be a rumor until then. I am referring to a quality that I observe present in those who have expressed having had a CC experience and which confirms to me intuitively that they have in fact had such an experience. It is unmistakable but I can't prove it. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 19:23:17 GMT -5
It is a strange word, humility, isn't it... once mentioned - it's gone. It's a double bind and, like ego, the only pertinent question is whether or not JLY was conscious of having presented you with a double bind at the time he wrote it. I didn't realize it was a double bind. Thanks for pointing it out. But neither was it meant to be anything more than a statement of observation. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 20:04:15 GMT -5
If you've never seen her face, then how can you be sure it's not her that's staring right at you? Humility will only be a rumor until then. I am referring to a quality that I observe present in those who have expressed having had a CC experience and which confirms to me intuitively that they have in fact had such an experience. It is unmistakable but I can't prove it. If you hear pride by all means stop listening, but would you expect truth to stop speaking because of your opinion of what you hear? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 20:05:42 GMT -5
It's a double bind and, like ego, the only pertinent question is whether or not JLY was conscious of having presented you with a double bind at the time he wrote it. I didn't realize it was a double bind. Thanks for pointing it out. But neither was it meant to be anything more than a statement of observation. there was no humility behind it. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 20:10:24 GMT -5
I am referring to a quality that I observe present in those who have expressed having had a CC experience and which confirms to me intuitively that they have in fact had such an experience. It is unmistakable but I can't prove it. If you hear pride by all means stop listening, but would you expect truth to stop speaking because of your opinion of what you hear? Again, it's just an observation. I'm interested in what I'm interested in. Not in what I'm not. Each circumstance dictates for itself. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 20:11:46 GMT -5
I didn't realize it was a double bind. Thanks for pointing it out. But neither was it meant to be anything more than a statement of observation. there was no humility behind it. Fine. But I wasn't talking about my humility. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 20:15:01 GMT -5
Then there was no humility behind it. Fine. But I wasn't talking about my humility. Oh yeah you were, you just weren't conscious of it as you spoke it. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 20:17:06 GMT -5
If you hear pride by all means stop listening, but would you expect truth to stop speaking because of your opinion of what you hear? Again, it's just an observation. I'm interested in what I'm interested in. Not in what I'm not. Each circumstance dictates for itself. Do you think that I'm faulting your observation? I'm not, I'm just trying to get you to see an implication of it. It was honest of you to admit that you haven't seen the face of God yet, and there's an opportunity to take some genuine humility in that. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 20:18:05 GMT -5
Fine. But I wasn't talking about my humility. Oh yeah you were, you just weren't conscious of it as you spoke it. Not interested in talking about what is conscious or not. I was talking about the kind of quality that comes from a CC experience. I already said I haven't experienced that but can hear the authenticity in those that have. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 20:22:25 GMT -5
Again, it's just an observation. I'm interested in what I'm interested in. Not in what I'm not. Each circumstance dictates for itself. Do you think that I'm faulting your observation? I'm not, I'm just trying to get you to see an implication of it. It was honest of you to admit that you haven't seen the face of God yet, and there's an opportunity to take some genuine humility in that. Hmmm. What do you mean take some genuine humility from that? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 20:23:37 GMT -5
Oh yeah you were, you just weren't conscious of it as you spoke it. Not interested in talking about what is conscious or not. I was talking about the kind of quality that comes from a CC experience. I already said I haven't experienced that but can hear the authenticity in those that have. That you unconsciously posed the double-bind of humility is a clue for you. About humility. You're speculating about the taste of a fruit you've never seen. If I was more concerned about our personal relationship I'd just STFU. I do value your correspondence .. I'd even thought about droppin' you a line sometime when I'm up North.  Believe me though, I wouldn't be really all that much of a friend to you by hiding the ball that way. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 20:26:47 GMT -5
Not interested in talking about what is conscious or not. I was talking about the kind of quality that comes from a CC experience. I already said I haven't experienced that but can hear the authenticity in those that have. That you unconsciously posed the double-bind of humility is a clue for you. About humility. You're speculating about the taste of a fruit you've never seen. If I was more concerned about our personal relationship I'd just STFU. I do value your correspondence .. I'd even thought about droppin' you a line sometime when I'm up North. Believe me though, I wouldn't be really all that much of a friend to you by hiding the ball that way. I'm good with trusting my gut. |
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