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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 8:22:09 GMT -5
No...how about "Fictional" as an opportunity to see that it matters not one iota whether or not the Jed character is an actual person who exists outside the book or not, so long as the book's message speaks to you, so long as it resonates as sound. The very same can be said of your forum "Jed" experience....so long as his message resonates with you as sound, why does it matter whether he is the same Jed as behind the books or not? The only way that matters is if a seeker reads his books and becomes attached to the character....not what the author had in mind at all, in my estimation. The overriding message behind the books, absent the smug, "I am so beyond that" posturing, I have seriously considered and it undoubtedly does resonate. yes, It's important to see through attachment to any and all ideas (see through the BS), but it's important not to simply re-attach to another load of it. Seems The folks who really resonate with those books are those who really resonate with the idea that 'most people in the world are fast asleep.' If that is so, and they are in fact one of the rare few who isn't, it's gotta be the ultimate in terms of "feeling special." Powerful stuff indeed. Most people are asleep. If that is so, and they are in fact one of the rare few who isn't, it's gotta be the ultimate in terms of "feeling special."
It is only so for those who had the first glimpse of Reality and got mightily attached to it. Stuck in it, if you wish. For those who went all the way... there is absolutely no feeling of 'specialness'. I feel very very ordinary, nothing special to it at all. But I do feel immensely grateful.True humility can't be faked. It the THE hallmark of the Real. In separating the wheat from the chaff it's absence is the #1 clue. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 10, 2015 9:53:03 GMT -5
It is a strange word, humility, isn't it... once mentioned - it's gone. Sure, depending upon the context of its use. But in terms of others, I can't help where I sense it, and where I don't. It tells me who has actually seen the face of God and who hasn't. There are some here who really have and there are some here who think they have but haven't. I have yet to meet Him face to face even as He has left a couple of calling cards. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 11:37:20 GMT -5
No...how about "Fictional" as an opportunity to see that it matters not one iota whether or not the Jed character is an actual person who exists outside the book or not, so long as the book's message speaks to you, so long as it resonates as sound. The very same can be said of your forum "Jed" experience....so long as his message resonates with you as sound, why does it matter whether he is the same Jed as behind the books or not? The only way that matters is if a seeker reads his books and becomes attached to the character....not what the author had in mind at all, in my estimation. The overriding message behind the books, absent the smug, "I am so beyond that" posturing, I have seriously considered and it undoubtedly does resonate. yes, It's important to see through attachment to any and all ideas (see through the BS), but it's important not to simply re-attach to another load of it. Seems The folks who really resonate with those books are those who really resonate with the idea that 'most people in the world are fast asleep.' If that is so, and they are in fact one of the rare few who isn't, it's gotta be the ultimate in terms of "feeling special." Powerful stuff indeed.
It is only so for those who had the first glimpse of Reality and got mightily attached to it. Stuck in it, if you wish. For those who went all the way... there is absolutely no feeling of 'specialness'. I feel very very ordinary, nothing special to it at all. But I do feel immensely grateful. Fine line between feeling grateful (for not being one of the deluded, sleeping majority) and "special", no? Re: "Most people are asleep"....At some point, that too can be seen to be just another idea/belief...and one that has the propensity to create a very specific kind of experience....one of surface separation from others. It's a separation of experience that can leave one feeling as though they are alone, and can no longer relate to 'the world' at large. It's important to remember, 'the world' does not exist 'out there'....when you say, 'the world' what you're actually talking about is 'your world.' In my own experience, "my world", When that idea (most people are asleep...I am one of the few who is awake) was seen for what it is, and the tethers falls away, folks appearing in 'my world', stop appearing to be sleepy...so deluded...and it became clear, the role that belief/expectation previously played in the kind of experience that was manifesting. "Most people in my world are asleep" is one of the most important beliefs to look at as it colors the entirety of our interface with the 'others' appearing in our 'dream/world/experience' The dream becomes so much more fun when there are others to play with, who see what you see and 'get' what you get. The benefits far outweigh any egoic sense of specialness or 'luck' that might accompany the belief that I am an anomaly. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 11:43:19 GMT -5
Yes, and Jed does a great job of confronting the paradox of his lie directly, primarily with the comedy of his internal dialog. Some peeps just got no sense of humor.  All is a lie, including Jed. He sees it very clearly and makes fun of it, but from my experience he'll wait until the person can see it for themselves. I did. First, it was a feeling of utter disbelief at the discovery. Then... I just laughed and laughed. It's really weird, but Truth lies in the lies, impossible to get away from those. Seems no one can walk around completely naked, and if one attempts - there is a price to pay.
Yes, there will continue to be some ideas that get engaged with & at that point it's important to take a look at those..to clearly see those that serve, and those that don't. "Most others in my reality are deluded/asleep" is one of those that does not serve...unless one is very enamored with the perceived 'benefit' of being a lone awakened one in a sea of "other" delusional beings. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 12:10:06 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1449765440000" class="time" title="Dec 10, 2015 17:37:20 GMT 7">Dec 10, 2015 17:37:20 GMT 7</abbr> figgles said: Fine line between feeling grateful (for not being one of the deluded, sleeping majority) and "special", no? Re: "Most people are asleep"....At some point, that too can be seen to be just another idea/belief...and one that has the propensity to create a very specific kind of experience....one of surface separation from others. It's a separation of experience that can leave one feeling as though they are alone, and can no longer relate to 'the world' at large. It's important to remember, 'the world' does not exist 'out there'....when you say, 'the world' what you're actually talking about is 'your world.' In my own experience, "my world", When that idea (most people are asleep...I am one of the few who is awake) was seen for what it is, and the tethers falls away, folks appearing in 'my world', stop appearing to be sleepy...so deluded...and it became clear, the role that belief/expectation previously played in the kind of experience that was manifesting. "Most people in my world are asleep" is one of the most important beliefs to look at as it colors the entirety of our interface with the 'others' appearing in our 'dream/world/experience' The dream becomes so much more fun when there are others to play with, who see what you see and 'get' what you get. The benefits far outweigh any egoic sense of specialness or 'luck' that might accompany the belief that I am an anomaly. Just a fact. Look around you.But I don't separate myself from other beings. They are me. I hope you get this... not mentally, but viscerally. That's just it. Everything I've said in this conversation is based upon what I see when I 'look around me.' & I don't have to look very far ...stopped using 'news stories' a long time ago to fill in 'the facts' of what kind of world I lived in and instead looked at what was closer,more immediate. "My world" is comprised of that which I directly interface with from moment to moment. Anything beyond that involves a degree of imagination. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -5
There are no 'benefits' in TR. Only being, as is. But you said you feel grateful that you are one of the few awakened? Why? |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 12:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 15:59:07 GMT -5
I said I do feel immensely grateful. Where did I say this: "But you said you feel grateful that you are one of the few awakened?"Well...that's what we were talking about.....we were discussing the possibility of feeling 'special' with regards to the belief that 'most others are asleep and I am one of the few that are awake.' In response to my saying that 'the belief I am awake in world of mostly sleeping folks sets one up for feeling special', You said: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/1902/jed-mckenna?page=25&scrollTo=304131#ixzz3tx8v2tK9The bolded, as I saw it, indicated feeling grateful in relation to 'being one of the few awakened in a sea of unawakened others.' Seems you are now saying it was not related? If so, What is it you are speaking about there? For what exactly do you feel "Immensely grateful"? |
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Post by figgles on Dec 10, 2015 16:30:03 GMT -5
That's just it. Everything I've said in this conversation is based upon what I see when I 'look around me.' & I don't have to look very far ...stopped using 'news stories' a long time ago to fill in 'the facts' of what kind of world I lived in and instead looked at what was closer,more immediate. "My world" is comprised of that which I directly interface with from moment to moment. Anything beyond that involves a degree of imagination. Whatever works for you, can't be otherwise.Well...yeah. On that note, an interesting quote from mcKenna below; "On the other hand, I have, uh, heightened abilities might be a good way to put it, that most of you haven't gotten around to developing or recognizing in yourselves yet. These abilities are not really related to enlightenment directly, though; at least, they don't hinge on it, nor it on they. I'm talking about the ability to manifest desires, for one. To shape your personal reality. ......Someone who doesn't have the knowledge to shape his own personal reality might consider it a power or something mystical, whereas to me it's just something I know how to do. I started doing it for very practical purposes before awakening and I never thought of it as anything but the way things really work. There is no great mystery to it, it's only magic when you don't know how it works. Once you know, you know...." Jed McKenna - Spiritual Enlightenment, The Damnedest Thing I resonate a whole lot with what Jed is saying there, but What I find odd is that he says he knows how to shape his own personal reality, but for some reason seems to be forgetting that others who appear within his experience, complete with all their understandings or lack thereof, are also part & parcel of that reality. If he doesn't enjoy all the sleeping puppets......if living as one of the few who is awake in a world of delusional others 'aint working for him, why wouldn't he just use those skills to 'shape his personal reality' to manifest an experience with more play-mates...more equals? & if he's truly a good manifestor, then surely he understands how a belief has the power to shape reality....How is it that the 'most folks the world over are sleeping, and I am one of the few who is awake' idea, is not being seen for the (limiting) belief that it is? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:05:21 GMT -5
Incorrect. It's exactly what you wrote: And no, neither your nor JLY's quote supports that idea and you won't be able to find one that does without hyperminding up some pretzel logic to connect the dots. First of all, I didn't say SR is, or what SR is. And I didn't say all karma had to be burned up before SR. I only said the journey is not over until all karma is burned up (because if it isn't, samskaras will ~force~ another incarnation). Dude, you wrote what ya' wrote and there's no point lawyering about it at this point and calling Niz as a material witness to make your case is just absurd. Reincarnation is a fairytale. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:11:34 GMT -5
What do you mean by that? "says that (pre-SR)"? He means that you (what you really are, the real) confuse yourself with your body and your mind (what comes and goes, what is not you, the false). That these form the basis of a sense of identity. In your case, specifically, you've gone way beyond that, but the clues to you that you still harbor an unconscious sense of separate identity is your insistence that reality can be explained (in terms of SOI), and that the physical world -- as you can describe it with the scientific models -- is real. I noticed that you stopped posting your thoughts about "I AM THAT" at like page 20. Why is that? Read something you didn't agree with?  With says that, that refers to the sentence underlined. I haven't read past page 26 (that's where I stopped that first day). I haven't found anything I disagree with. Why no more quotes? There are only so many hours in a day. But what do you mean by this: Give me a Niz quote that says that ( pre-SR). What do you mean by "says that pre-SR"? Precisely? You could make yourself clear by giving an example of what the quote you're looking for would look like. Just make one up as a hypothetical. Dude for all the posturing you do about how I'm so hard to understand, this is pretty ironic. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:12:15 GMT -5
Yes, we each share that opinion about one another. Do you think debating what Niz had to say will change that? I don't care to debate what Niz said, just quote him.  |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:14:27 GMT -5
Yes, and Jed does a great job of confronting the paradox of his lie directly, primarily with the comedy of his internal dialog. Some peeps just got no sense of humor. All is a lie, including Jed. He sees it very clearly and makes fun of it, but from my experience he'll wait until the person can see it for themselves. I did. First, it was a feeling of utter disbelief at the discovery. Then... I just laughed and laughed. It's really weird, but Truth lies in the lies, impossible to get away from those. Seems no one can walk around completely naked, and if one attempts - there is a price to pay. The skin is mistaken for clothing and unconscious peeps locked in illusion want to disrobe the naked one. It can make for a very gory affair, but Halloween has already come and gone. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:16:27 GMT -5
Nothing for it to do. Nothing to grab hold of. Nothing to stand on. It's free-fall. Yes. A goose bumpy feeling of the free fall into Infinity. You are a rare combination of feeling and thought in equal measure, Playful Warrior. Thanks for that. Sure, my pleasure. As that free fall can be so terrifying to a peep it's sometimes a mercy to throw in some flashy complication, but of course the consumer of the compassion is the false. It's likely why forum-Jed isn't big on cross talk. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 10, 2015 18:18:56 GMT -5
Most people are asleep. If that is so, and they are in fact one of the rare few who isn't, it's gotta be the ultimate in terms of "feeling special."
It is only so for those who had the first glimpse of Reality and got mightily attached to it. Stuck in it, if you wish. For those who went all the way... there is absolutely no feeling of 'specialness'. I feel very very ordinary, nothing special to it at all. But I do feel immensely grateful.True humility can't be faked. It the THE hallmark of the Real. In separating the wheat from the chaff it's absence is the #1 clue. If your benchmark for humility is your cultural conditioning, all you have to go by is something that's false. If someone is defending something, you have to be able to discern exactly what it is that they're defending if you're gonna' make that call. |
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