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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 4:56:28 GMT -5
Sunshine said this "ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom", and I responded by saying I am not searching. As I stated before the Vision was Final. But Being keeps unravelling, without a doubt, Infinite. Whoever said that TR is about 'embodying love'? As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. TR -stands for? Truth Realisation? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 5:03:14 GMT -5
Sunshine said this "ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom", and I responded by saying I am not searching. As I stated before the Vision was Final. But Being keeps unravelling, without a doubt, Infinite. Whoever said that TR is about 'embodying love'? As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. what i meant is that there is a kind of logic to this further enfolding.It can be accelerated.How that works is described in the book i mentioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 5:18:21 GMT -5
What you and jed did,autolysys,is concentration in the throatchackra,(creative expression-will) and ´´drilled´´a horizontal hole into the transcendent.As Sri Aurobindo explains, one can enter the transcendent on any level(chakra),body,vital,mental ,and achieve freedom.The (seven or so) main yoga-paths in Hindu tradition are disxiplines (forms of concentration) to realise the freedom. This is always only ONE realisation, and ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom. Your realisation is a mental one, and leaves the lower chakras untouched and not liberated. If it werent so, Jed would have written a quite different book. Integral yoga aims at liberation on ALL levels.Full realisation of the human-divine potential. Check out ´´the Adventure of consciousness´´ by Satprem for explanation.free pdf download. I am not searching, Sunshine. There is a couple of oddities in what you said. 'Mental', yet you send me to... read books, of all things. I haven't read on the subject in more than a year. And secondly... "If it werent so, Jed would have written a quite different book." You have some fixed idea about what 'it would be like'? I can tell you,, whatever you imagine about 'it' - is not 'it'. By far.
I don't know much about chakras. But they seem to correspond nearly precisely to the human endocrine system points. searching--i dont say you are-your ego feels uncomfortable with the assumption you are? i am talking about a massive solid PEACE , oceanwide, in the entire being.(after - and intermittently during - cleaning up the messs there. i mean the heart, solar plexus and the two chakras underneath it)....people here talk of ´´ego´´ as if they know what is it. They havent got a bleeping clue. chakras are the portals to your universal self, if they were already open to the Universal, and not cleaned up, you´d be swept away...go crazy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 5:29:32 GMT -5
I think though you have acknowledged agreement with Jed's assertion that 'deepening and further' still happens post TR...? If so, I'm pretty sure this is similar to what Sunshine is getting at. & no, That deepening is not predicated upon 'seeking' or 'searching' in the same way that happened pre TR, as now there is no sense of something HERE needing to be anything other than what it is, but nevertheless, the possibility of further, remains. I see significant movement (having gone deeper/farther) in the Jed character from his first book to his last....but still, he's just barely touching the 'heart' chakra, or said another way, just scraping the surface of embodying Love. Sunshine said this "ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom", and I responded by saying I am not searching. As I stated before the Vision was Final. But Being keeps unravelling, without a doubt, Infinite. Whoever said that TR is about 'embodying love'? Tano, please read this--it might get us on the same page after all spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2723/sri-aurobindo-on-advaita-nirvana  PS it is a long excerpt--if you like,just read leftooks intro and the highlighted parts. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 4, 2015 11:22:43 GMT -5
As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. TR -stands for? Truth Realisation? Yes. |
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Post by figgles on Dec 4, 2015 11:39:48 GMT -5
As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. Jed is Love. Impersonal and very active. Not the human messy control based 'idea' of what Love is. How it manifests - each being will live according to the inner call. According to the Blueprint. "Dear Forum Members:
I have been working (i.e., playing) with writing, forums and the Nav Series for approximately two decades, so I figured it was time for a change. For my ‘holiday’ I am going with a group of volunteers to the N.E. border provinces near Vietnam as part of a rural UXO education program. One of the biggest issues farmers have is land mines and unexploded bombs, especially in the border areas. They don’t know how to deal with them and sometimes even play with them or take them apart for their scrap metal value. They also sell the explosives to quarries for a handsome profit. Obviously it’s a deadly game but few of them realize just how deadly it can be. How do deal with these is the topic of our ‘educational expedition’.
It should be fun with new foods and faces plus an opportunity to improve my Cambodian language skills.
I will be gone for a week and internet is non-existent up there so I figure I will just take a break from things all together. I’m confident the world will continue quite well without my digital presence and that you too will manage, perhaps even better without me. Why not?
You are welcome to post, just don’t expect any guru bafflegab back until my return.
Love ya and talk in a short while,
Jed."I am speaking of the "Jed McKenna" character of the book series....who from what I understand, is really just a character created by an author, not an actual person. He is very clear through his discourse in the book about how he feels about other people, particularly those who are not awake...heck, he could hardly even bear to have a conversation with his own sister who he had not seen for some time....how is it that dude would be looking foward to 'fun with new faces' if he can hardly bear sitting face to face with a family member...or has to hire an assistant to 'interface with a world in which I just no longer function very well in'? I'm not buying that the Jed of that forum is the character or even the sole author of books (i have heard there were 2 authors involved, so perhaps one has ventured off the do the forum...?) ....I've read through a bit and the forum "Jed" seems very careful about not crossing the line of saying that he is author/character of the books......Or perhaps I've just missed posts where he indicates that he is the same Jed as in the books....? feel free to enlighten me if this is so... |
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Post by laughter on Dec 4, 2015 16:38:34 GMT -5
I think though you have acknowledged agreement with Jed's assertion that 'deepening and further' still happens post TR...? If so, I'm pretty sure this is similar to what Sunshine is getting at. & no, That deepening is not predicated upon 'seeking' or 'searching' in the same way that happened pre TR, as now there is no sense of something HERE needing to be anything other than what it is, but nevertheless, the possibility of further, remains. I see significant movement (having gone deeper/farther) in the Jed character from his first book to his last....but still, he's just barely touching the 'heart' chakra, or said another way, just scraping the surface of embodying Love. Sunshine said this "ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom", and I responded by saying I am not searching. As I stated before the Vision was Final. But Being keeps unravelling, without a doubt, Infinite. Whoever said that TR is about 'embodying love'? Yeah it was pretty obvious that sunny was referring to work leading up to realization, not the freedom that comes after. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 4, 2015 16:43:35 GMT -5
As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. what i meant is that there is a kind of logic to this further enfolding.It can be accelerated.How that works is described in the book i mentioned. Well, is there: This is always only ONE realisation, and ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom. .. or many? What is realized is absolute, always here and now, which is to say, eternal. The chakra's are relative points of entry and exit, and the work you're referring to is reconditioning those. That might lead to a better person, a better experience -- or it might not -- but none of that has any bearing on the truth. It can happen before or after realization, or not at all. No bearing, no relationship. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 4, 2015 16:47:52 GMT -5
I am not searching, Sunshine. There is a couple of oddities in what you said. 'Mental', yet you send me to... read books, of all things. I haven't read on the subject in more than a year. And secondly... "If it werent so, Jed would have written a quite different book." You have some fixed idea about what 'it would be like'? I can tell you,, whatever you imagine about 'it' - is not 'it'. By far.
I don't know much about chakras. But they seem to correspond nearly precisely to the human endocrine system points. searching--i dont say you are-your ego feels uncomfortable with the assumption you are? i am talking about a massive solid PEACE , oceanwide, in the entire being.(after - and intermittently during - cleaning up the messs there. i mean the heart, solar plexus and the two chakras underneath it)....people here talk of ´´ego´´ as if they know what is it. They havent got a bleeping clue. chakras are the portals to your universal self, if they were already open to the Universal, and not cleaned up, you´d be swept away...go crazy. But your "PEACE" is conditional. Sorry guy, there's another peace that is beyond description by words, much less a body-practice road map. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 4, 2015 16:52:25 GMT -5
As I see it, "Embodying Love" is about deepening...further. TR (as in 'seeing through the BS') does not necessarily include that. Jed is Love. Impersonal and very active. Not the human messy control based 'idea' of what Love is. How it manifests - each being will live according to the inner call. According to the Blueprint. "Dear Forum Members:
I have been working (i.e., playing) with writing, forums and the Nav Series for approximately two decades, so I figured it was time for a change. For my ‘holiday’ I am going with a group of volunteers to the N.E. border provinces near Vietnam as part of a rural UXO education program. One of the biggest issues farmers have is land mines and unexploded bombs, especially in the border areas. They don’t know how to deal with them and sometimes even play with them or take them apart for their scrap metal value. They also sell the explosives to quarries for a handsome profit. Obviously it’s a deadly game but few of them realize just how deadly it can be. How do deal with these is the topic of our ‘educational expedition’.
It should be fun with new foods and faces plus an opportunity to improve my Cambodian language skills.
I will be gone for a week and internet is non-existent up there so I figure I will just take a break from things all together. I’m confident the world will continue quite well without my digital presence and that you too will manage, perhaps even better without me. Why not?
You are welcome to post, just don’t expect any guru bafflegab back until my return.
Love ya and talk in a short while,
Jed."What you're encountering in the dialog is some obvious confusion between realization and deepening/further on the part of your correspondents, which is really just confusion about realization itself. This is an endless circular track that's seen many laps on this forum over the years.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 4, 2015 22:02:50 GMT -5
what i meant is that there is a kind of logic to this further enfolding.It can be accelerated.How that works is described in the book i mentioned. Well, is there: This is always only ONE realisation, and ususally the yogi stops after reaching freedom. .. or many? What is realized is absolute, always here and now, which is to say, eternal. The chakra's are relative points of entry and exit, and the work you're referring to is reconditioning those. That might lead to a better person, a better experience -- or it might not -- but none of that has any bearing on the truth. It can happen before or after realization, or not at all. No bearing, no relationship. It seems that OTOH there is SR and OTOH there is SR. However, if all karma is not burned up where one has a clean slate, the journey ain't over. It doesn't matter what kinds of words are thrown into the arena (dialogue) or by whom. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 4:30:24 GMT -5
searching--i dont say you are-your ego feels uncomfortable with the assumption you are? i am talking about a massive solid PEACE , oceanwide, in the entire being.(after - and intermittently during - cleaning up the messs there. i mean the heart, solar plexus and the two chakras underneath it)....people here talk of ´´ego´´ as if they know what is it. They havent got a bleeping clue. chakras are the portals to your universal self, if they were already open to the Universal, and not cleaned up, you´d be swept away...go crazy. But your "PEACE" is conditional. Sorry guy, there's another peace that is beyond description by words, much less a body-practice road map. conditional only where it comes to practice--like autolysis--once the hole is punched it stays open, that is the peace you point to |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 4:39:36 GMT -5
searching--i dont say you are-your ego feels uncomfortable with the assumption you are? i am talking about a massive solid PEACE , oceanwide, in the entire being.(after - and intermittently during - cleaning up the messs there. i mean the heart, solar plexus and the two chakras underneath it)....people here talk of ´´ego´´ as if they know what is it. They havent got a bleeping clue. chakras are the portals to your universal self, if they were already open to the Universal, and not cleaned up, you´d be swept away...go crazy.
No, just stating the fact of my existence.
I have never seen or felt a chakra, other than a concept of energy distribution. Hormones are your energy channels. That's why when a man sees a beautiful woman - his inner response is pointed towards that, and the outer one is visible enough LOL Sunshine, I am past mythologising this Existence. I've run through the text. This chap may like the sound of his voice, so much writing. It cannot be placed in words, especially so many words. No matter how much he tries - he fails miserably, only confusing people further. In a specific context of his letters to others - may be. Taken out of context and out of immediate Presence - it makes for a soup of thought, vision and non consequential detail. If I were to condense all that... I would say this: Atman is Brahman. You are Reality, and Reality is you. The talk about separation/non separation or duality/nonduality is b u l l. There has never been either, and the concepts of those have come of.. guess what? yes, that tortured suffering human mind, which needs EXPLANATION. Total bu ll o ck s. well,i guess if someone gave me some medical treatise on (f.i) alzheimers disease to read ,i also would understand very little of it. i overestimated your level of exprience and understanding...  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 4:52:37 GMT -5
Quoting Tano There is a couple of oddities in what you said. 'Mental', yet you send me to... read books, of all things. I haven't read on the subject in more than a year.´´ Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/1902/jed-mckenna?page=18#ixzz3tRDyEpBRhey, you are reading and writing here,and quoting Jed and now i suddenly cant? A mental realisation doesnt mean you cant read,write or understand or even learn things. ..but the mind in its arrogance thinks it has ´´the final vision´´,with capitals no less,, whereas at the same time you deny the facts of clairvoyance and telepathy? Advaita-blinker-vision?'.Jed-´´i am the greatest´´-´´oh perhaps there´s a thing or two to learn´´--vision...he writes but we cant read anything else?'? The possibility of perhaps a mind vastly superior to his, unbearable?Thats what happened to Andrew Cohen—he fell into a trap early on in his ´´realisation´´ and never even noticed—yes the mind is a tricky place, -- indeed. After some close students of his finally got to read Aurobindo and even understood it,they got to see through Andrew Cohen as fake (a posessed person), easy to spot if you know what to look for. I learned to see and experience consciousness as a Force,among other things.And you can feel it move up and down in the body,depending on your activity.You can concentrate it, make it grow, and even individualise it.(personal brahman) The thing is, there are some here who obviously are bit further than you in´´expanding´´, and to hear you boast about your ´´Vinal Vision´´ comes across as pretty ignorant,actually. I mention clairvoyancy and you dismiss it as non existent. Why not leave infinite possibilities open? You ar e free, nothing can happen, so whats the problem? Why did Jed write in the first place?To make his mark on monkey-hill? Why are you here on STF? Surely not to tell us what jed already told us? Most of us know that, Are That already. So,just as your mental has gone cosmic, so can your vital, after it is pacified.(emotions,basically)--and if it had happened you´be shouting it of th rooftops,and most certainly mention it here. Better,much better than sex, actually. And if you stick with the process,it ill Univeralise, like your mental did.And it will STAY, just like your ´´final vision´´...An active,contagious Peace, not the absence of activity that is often mistaken for Peace. Good luck. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 4:56:40 GMT -5
morning sunshine agree disagree / other ?? |
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